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michael esmay: This guy's memory.

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michael esmay: is one of these guys that.

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michael esmay: was married The night before he left for the war.

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michael esmay: What.

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Noelle Wolfson: How did they how did they find him.

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michael esmay: Well, apparently, these bones, as well as other bones have been rattling around.

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michael esmay: And they've the US Government context family members and I sent my DNA and based on that they made the match.

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Karen Tarapata: that's remarkable because there were so many.

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Karen Tarapata: So many people working on the Burma road and working for the Japanese that I mean there are so many native Burmese dive.

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Karen Tarapata: Their bones all over that country, I mean that the Second World War was devastating so they must have found his dog tags or something to indicate that he was a US soldier.

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michael esmay: That identification wasn't made in.

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michael esmay: Burma, it was made in Hawaii.

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Karen Tarapata: The.

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michael esmay: way.

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Karen Tarapata: For them to have known that they were.

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Karen Tarapata: You know, US soldiers phones that's the first.

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michael esmay: yeah I don't know the history, I don't know how it happened.

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michael esmay: or son when he was taking a vacation in the Philippines ran across a plaque in a town which listed soldiers killed in the war and there was his name miles as May, but he didn't know anything about and he was like wow look at that and as me.

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michael esmay: And the turns out that that is me as related to him.

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Karen Tarapata: remarkable that is remarkable.

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Karen Tarapata: Well, I hope that can and sorry join us tonight because we have some definitions, to agree upon yes.

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michael esmay: Maybe add some sure.

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Karen Tarapata: Certainly this is the moment because I had a very long conversation today with Diana cream ball.

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Karen Tarapata: And I was telling her that what we decide with what the board decides tonight workshop as the language is the language that will be going forward to the next, regular meeting and once it's published then that's what it is.

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Karen Tarapata: yeah because we're trying not to.

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Karen Tarapata: continue this we're trying to nail it down.

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Karen Tarapata: So i'm just to start while we're waiting for them it's weird but did you have a chance to look at some of the suggestions that Sue Smith made.

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sylviajeff: Go ahead.

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michael esmay: Oh, you know I read what she had written.

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michael esmay: You know, when I read that.

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michael esmay: In terms of definitions i'm going, you know.

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michael esmay: unreasonably disturbing what is that.

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michael esmay: Excessive what is that continuous what is that unnecessary what is that.

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michael esmay: there's within those those words that that.

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michael esmay: This this whole idea of unwanted its own, but how do you define it.

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Karen Tarapata: Well, I think.

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Karen Tarapata: What to do.

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Karen Tarapata: yeah which both tour and know i've said, there are.

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Karen Tarapata: There is case law on on this.

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Karen Tarapata: Hello.

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Ken & Hilarie: hey there.

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Karen Tarapata: We just started, we were just Mike was just saying definition and then Mike was saying, how do you define some of these things so i'll just turn it back over to.

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Karen Tarapata: Also, perhaps well what, what is your I mean obviously you pulled some definitions here, can you tell us where are you from some of the definitions that are proposed.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sure, actually, most of the definitions that are proposed, I I drafted myself, based on the conversations we had about the conduct we wanted to regulate.

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Noelle Wolfson: With the two of two exceptions, well you know legal holidays we've pulled from the employee handbook the village employee handbook.

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Noelle Wolfson: repairs was defined in the text in a previous version so since we're having a definition section I just bumped it up to the definition section.

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Noelle Wolfson: clearly audible is a definition, I came I drafted myself with After reviewing some of the case law.

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Noelle Wolfson: That talks about kind of a person of average hearing or you know the reasonable person standard.

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Noelle Wolfson: Continuous operation tries to address that question, what if you take a pause for five minutes in a two hour period, so it basically says operation of machinery unless it pauses for two for 30 minutes.

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Karen Tarapata: So that.

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Noelle Wolfson: Thank you yeah that one was just trying to address that continuous operation question and link it to that 30 minute period.

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Noelle Wolfson: So emergency repairs was defined and just moved up to this section legal holidays comes from the employee handbook heavy machinery also is essentially what was in the text.

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Noelle Wolfson: But the text flowed better by having it as a defined term when you get down to the operative section, the definition of noise as unwanted sound actually comes from some OSHA material.

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Noelle Wolfson: And just jumping around to the definition of sound vibration that's detected by the human ear also comes from the same ocean material.

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Noelle Wolfson: person is kind of a consistent definition of person to me a human or an entity.

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Noelle Wolfson: property is you know, a parcel of land it's created by file map or otherwise legally existing and regulated devices are you know anything regulated by now section four sections one, two and three.

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sylviajeff: Well, I should mention that um I had read everything that you had done Noel which I thought was excellent, the definitions were great, in particular the continuous operation which of all of them, I thought was the most critically needed one.

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sylviajeff: But all That said, I really didn't get a chance to see suit smith's information until just a moment ago, because i've been there all day and it came in today, so I don't really know exactly where to plug the continuous sounds and unnecessary noise in.

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sylviajeff: To what we have over here.

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sylviajeff: And I don't really know if they're even necessary, I think the continuous operation that you put out there well it's fine and i'm not sure if.

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sylviajeff: The continuous sounds and unnecessary noise a denham's or whatever that Sue added i'm not sure where that fits in so i'll i'll go along with that you folks say because I didn't really reread it with that in mind.

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Ken & Hilarie: So I would say.

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Karen Tarapata: One thing real quick can before you start.

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Karen Tarapata: I did not say this at the beginning, this is a workshop meeting of the upper night village board, it is may 27 2021 a workshop meeting does not have a set agenda and no formal actions of the Board are made.

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Karen Tarapata: Right yep.

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Ken & Hilarie: So Jeff and others, I would say that the.

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Ken & Hilarie: The concerns that are the definitions that Sue lists are more like concerns about the language they see war, as opposed to and then suggested, which I think it's great solutions to it that would satisfy them.

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Ken & Hilarie: So if we feel that noel's language say on continuous sound satisfies the requirement that sue's.

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Ken & Hilarie: Pointing up in terms of her expression of a definition and I think we're fine with that I know I know that the concern about a noise disturbance law is is primarily from what i've understood to be about the title of law that there's some turn that a.

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Ken & Hilarie: Legally oriented argue mentor might say something like well i'm not making unnecessary noise this noise is necessary for the you know the undertaking and my business, so that by.

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Ken & Hilarie: naming the law unnecessary noise you open the door to necessary noise that are still disturbing so again that i'd leave it up to two others to figure out what's the best legal.

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Ken & Hilarie: wall against that kind of thing so that's I think the way to think about Cisco.

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sylviajeff: And i'll tell you the truth, I think, in that case just leaving it as noise which is one did sound is probably more to the point.

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Noelle Wolfson: yeah, I would like to go and we can talk about the term noise because maybe we take it out of the law, all together, and simply use the word sound.

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Noelle Wolfson: As a more precise word um because actually although it's called the noise law and the section is titled you know unnecessary noise meaning unnecessary unwanted unwanted sound.

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Noelle Wolfson: is prohibited the operative sections talk about sound sound levels and not noise levels um so, for example, um.

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Noelle Wolfson: Why don't we go to section for see first, since that is kind of the the main body, and then there are a couple things in for A and B that are just wanted to review, because in in the drafting language had to change.

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Noelle Wolfson: So just on the leaf blowers the leaf blowers really there's not very much change, you know I had made the the the changes that we had talked about at the last workshop, you know, changing the.

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sylviajeff: You know the length.

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Noelle Wolfson: march 15 through changing the the hours of operation to conform with what we talked about.

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Noelle Wolfson: same thing in see to that really just you know incorporate some of the defined terms and then.

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Noelle Wolfson: And then, changes the hours of operation but let's look at C three and i'm going to change from my red line because the red line is very marked up and so it's provides that the use or operation of heavy machinery which is a defined term that emits sound, which is.

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Noelle Wolfson: vibrations that are detected by the human ear, that is clearly audible which means a sound that can be heard by a person.

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Noelle Wolfson: With average hearing without the assistance of sound amplification devices from a distance of 100 feet or more from the property line.

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Noelle Wolfson: Of the property on which the heavy machinery is being used or operated.

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Noelle Wolfson: must cease, for a period of 30 consecutive minutes after two consecutive hours of continuous operation defined as the user operation of heavy machinery for any purpose on a property, during which there's no pause in the production of Sam for a period of 30 consecutive minutes or more.

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Noelle Wolfson: Within the 30 minute respite period user operation of all regulated devices defined as basically leaf blowers lawn mowers chain saws anything that is regulated by this force see.

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Noelle Wolfson: must cease the user operation of heavy.

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Noelle Wolfson: But that emits down Okay, the use of our operation of all regular later devices on said property that emits sound that is clearly audible the definition we just reviewed.

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Noelle Wolfson: from a distance of 100 feet or more from the property line of such property must cease.

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Noelle Wolfson: The user operation of heavy machinery may commence no earlier than 9am and she'll no later than 4:30pm Monday through Friday and convince no earlier than 10 and by three on Saturday, these are operation of heavy equipment shall be prohibited on Sundays and legal holidays.

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Noelle Wolfson: So that is how so what's being regulated as the use or operation of heavy machinery that emit sound that is clearly audible from 100 feet beyond the property line.

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Noelle Wolfson: So this is really the one where the definitions become important because, on the leaf blowers it's just simply an hours of operation limitations so we're not worried about.

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Noelle Wolfson: about the continuous operation kind of question, so this is this is really the operative paragraph that most of the definitions relate to you.

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Karen Tarapata: Know boy I think people would certainly like to know that nobody would sit down with the leaf blower for more than two hours.

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Karen Tarapata: without stopping.

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Karen Tarapata: Actually i'm wondering now if that isn't a bad Professor again a tip that might not be a.

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Karen Tarapata: Good provision to include the the lawn equipment, so that somebody can just have their, even if they have a big yard i've just wondering if it's.

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Noelle Wolfson: yeah the only issue with that is that, so the heavy machinery is unlikely to be moved from property to property, whereas the leaf blowers in lawn mowers when you have a landscape, or maybe doing a neighborhood, for example, it's hard to regulate when there.

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Karen Tarapata: are no I meant on a single property that's all every huh.

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Karen Tarapata: What does it does anyone else have an opinion on that.

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Karen Tarapata: I don't think anyone would ever stay longer than two hours but i'm just curious if there's a reason to.

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Karen Tarapata: not include that because they are regulated devices.

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sylviajeff: Well, are they not included by default.

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Noelle Wolfson: That provision does not there's no provision.

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Noelle Wolfson: For a respite period for continuous operation under four see one or foresee to the reason the term regulated devices was included is because somebody made a comment at the public hearing that.

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Noelle Wolfson: You know if there's a lot of noisy heavy machinery being used and then there's a 30 minute respite period, but then you could use other.

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Noelle Wolfson: very noisy equipment, during that time it negates respite period, even though it's not heavy equipment, so a defined regulated.

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Noelle Wolfson: devices for the purposes of this see three just to make it clear that that's really supposed to be a quiet period so it's not like you can use the heavy machinery and then other noise producing sound emitting devices.

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Noelle Wolfson: So that only is only really used in in for sick of 43 and then again enforce E4.

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Karen Tarapata: talks about the exceptions right could we could we include.

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Karen Tarapata: doesn't it could it be pursuant to sections where it says regulated devices pursuant to one, two and three see one, two and three.

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Karen Tarapata: All right, right.

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Karen Tarapata: I misunderstanding something.

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Noelle Wolfson: So the regulated devices and so regulated device the defined term is just a term to kind of mean collectively.

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Noelle Wolfson: Any device that is regulated under see one, two and three, but see one, for example, although a gasoline powered leaf blower would be a regulated device.

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Noelle Wolfson: Regulated devices, the term and the incorporation of all the other machinery limited by the noise, while is not limited in see one because we don't use the term regulated devices.

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Noelle Wolfson: The the term rugged devices which just to refer to all the noise producing equipment as a collective for use in later paragraphs got it.

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Karen Tarapata: I think that's fine and that's fine and then, if that really is an issue in the future, we could change that, if need be, but it's not something we need to do.

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michael esmay: title of section for.

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michael esmay: necessary.

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michael esmay: That be as simple as sound prohibited.

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Karen Tarapata: prohibited sounds.

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michael esmay: Because unnecessary doesn't I don't see the meaning in that.

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Ken & Hilarie: yeah right, so I think it's right prohibited sounds is the proper order those two words.

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michael esmay: I feel better already.

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michael esmay: Well i'm worried about words like unnecessary.

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Ken & Hilarie: I don't know yes yeah well that's what that's exactly what seuss miss concern was that you know anybody making noise would say what's necessary noise i'm sorry.

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michael esmay: yeah and then.

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Right necessary to.

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Noelle Wolfson: I mean that is also defined by the Operative Provision so there's no express provision that makes just blanket Lee unnecessary noise prohibited then defined in each category as to what.

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Noelle Wolfson: You know what conduct and noise productive production activity is regulated, but if the term noise and unnecessary and those terms, cause confusion than maybe what we want to do in this section is take out any reference to the word noise and only use the word sound.

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sylviajeff: and make that prohibited sound.

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michael esmay: Right, I think so.

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sylviajeff: Okay that's reasonable.

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Ken & Hilarie: yeah and I think part of that is because noise itself has a specific connotation which.

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Ken & Hilarie: Is some of us interpretive in the bedroom making that connotation so sound is defined and clear so yeah.

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sylviajeff: that's exactly what i'm trying to do we're trying to stop interpretation.

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Ken & Hilarie: Right, you say.

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sylviajeff: yeah i'm thinking.

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michael esmay: Thinking specifically about what happened today listening to a backup signal from the shipyard.

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michael esmay: All right, it's it's decibel rating least from where I was experiencing, it was love it was lower than you hearing me talk right now, but it was the sound.

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michael esmay: The beep beep beep the warning sound.

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michael esmay: that's an unwanted sound right but.

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michael esmay: You don't you can't.

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michael esmay: regulate that and it's not a sound that that certainly I don't think it exceeded 60 decibels you know.

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Ken & Hilarie: Right, and I think I think you're absolutely right.

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Ken & Hilarie: If that.

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michael esmay: word I have problems with unfeasibly disturbing, what does that mean.

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michael esmay: Excessive maybe that's okay.

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michael esmay: it's but it's perception there it is how you perceive sound and so what's unwanted what's you know.

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michael esmay: And then that goes, all the way to how do you enforce it.

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sylviajeff: Well, I think.

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sylviajeff: We could push this forever and we know that people are getting very upset about how long it's taken already but.

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sylviajeff: According to Well, no, I was laid out i'm sorry.

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michael esmay: i'm my thing is the words they're here on the on the law, make them less subjective in some way.

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michael esmay: Like changing the title section for megan specific prohibited sound oh.

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Noelle Wolfson: God, the title of the law to the excessive sound law, I know.

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Noelle Wolfson: I don't want to make it the sound law because we're not prohibiting sound.

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Noelle Wolfson: So i'm.

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Ken & Hilarie: think there are people who would want that but.

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Karen Tarapata: Why, but I just say a local laws regulating sound is all right, because we're saying you're forgetting.

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michael esmay: Okay.

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Noelle Wolfson: A local law regulating sound okay regulating sound within the village perfect.

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Regulating.

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Noelle Wolfson: And then we will not.

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sylviajeff: Title what.

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michael esmay: better and better.

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Okay i'll take out the short title.

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Noelle Wolfson: And just section one will read a local law regulating sound within the village of upper nyack period.

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Noelle Wolfson: And i'm going to take out the definition of noise.

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Karen Tarapata: yeah look.

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Noelle Wolfson: At the word, the word noise won't people.

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Karen Tarapata: Find town yes.

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Noelle Wolfson: So basically all references to noise, will be to sound in the legislative intense section.

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Noelle Wolfson: I think we still want to keep it the making and creating of unreasonably disturbing or excessive sound within the village because that's.

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Noelle Wolfson: The legislative intent to dream and then the operative sections get more specific.

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michael esmay: Yes, okay.

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Karen Tarapata: And you know every every iteration gets better and more precise.

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michael esmay: Could I bring one other thing up and enforcement you've listed a whole bunch of people that can enforce.

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michael esmay: And i'm wondering if the building inspector and village engineer should be.

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michael esmay: One of those people or people's.

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michael esmay: Building inspector enforces the.

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michael esmay: zoning building code, so I don't know if they should be enforcing a law like this.

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michael esmay: It just felt like it might be a.

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Karen Tarapata: diligent code enforcement official it I.

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michael esmay: thought he could because.

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Karen Tarapata: Right, he might or might not be that person you're saying engineer, should be the village engineer could take the code enforcement official with them you're right.

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michael esmay: It doesn't mean.

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michael esmay: And this is an aside, but I did get this village village engineer to do it so.

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michael esmay: it's just those two people I felt like maybe there are we headed towards an enforcement officer who's going to deal with the ordinance and so.

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michael esmay: I can, I know I also can see the police, too, because the enforcement officer is not going to be available 24 hours a day, so the police accent sense but I had problems with the other two.

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Karen Tarapata: let's see the the code of the person who is projected to become the code enforcement officer.

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Karen Tarapata: may also become an assistant building inspector that's the goal now within that he is still.

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Karen Tarapata: The just code enforcement official, so I think it's covered in this, so if a future building assistant building inspector was also the doing code enforcement.

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Karen Tarapata: force.

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Karen Tarapata: Because once you're an assistant building inspector, you can enforce both the general and zoning in.

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Karen Tarapata: You know, and the.

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Karen Tarapata: Fire code prevention and building code yeah.

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sylviajeff: So, in essence, this is a way to allow the person currently named as well as what the title may change to a year down the road of stuff.

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Karen Tarapata: Right, exactly as they.

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sylviajeff: try and get more.

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Noelle Wolfson: Clear which so we're going to take our village engineer we're going to leave in the code enforcement official.

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Karen Tarapata: and building inspector and village engineer, those are the only two.

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Noelle Wolfson: So we're going to leave in the code enforcement official.

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Ken & Hilarie: So.

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Ken & Hilarie: i'd like to briefly go back to section two legislative intent, if I may, and this is kind of a question for an well, in a sense.

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Ken & Hilarie: Which is on the last sentence there we served as the attempted this local law to balance the rights.

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Ken & Hilarie: or residents of property owners.

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Ken & Hilarie: To use their property in a reasonable manner with.

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Ken & Hilarie: With the rights of others in the village to be free of excessive continuous unnecessary or disturbing and i'm sure will say sound at that point right and.

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Ken & Hilarie: The the phrase that we use the real estate business about a person's right on the property in which they reside is quiet enjoyment and i'm wondering if that's a phrase, we can insert perhaps just after village so with the rights of others in the village.

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Ken & Hilarie: To the quiet enjoyment of their property and to be free of excessive continuous unnecessary or disturbing.

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michael esmay: Oh, I like that.

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Karen Tarapata: I don't know what don't you think it went well.

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Ken & Hilarie: Quiet enjoyment actually means undisturbed quiet means undisturbed and enjoyment means use of in that sense, in terms of real estate language so it's.

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Ken & Hilarie: it's not like you have a right to sit there in your yard and hear no sound, although I know there are people would wish that it's really just that a person who lives on a property, whether they rent or own as a right to the.

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Ken & Hilarie: To a relatively and you know at least have their rights to undisturbed use of that property to be balanced with the undisturbed rights of person to do other things with their property, but those are equal rights.

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Karen Tarapata: And that, obviously, would have some established meaning if it's used commonly in real estate that way would that have any particular meaning in law well.

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Noelle Wolfson: I would like to just take a quick look at how that term has been used, and if it isn't it was expecting noise ordinances and generally I think of that term is meeting a tendency won't be disrupted.

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Noelle Wolfson: But I don't know that that that's its exclusive meetings so I don't have an objection to to adding this language, certainly not i'm happy to put it in I just might want to do a little bit of research, just to make sure it doesn't have any other kind of term of art status.

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Ken & Hilarie: We we use it as a way of balancing off one tenants rights with another tenants rights no there you know, there was an equality there.

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Ken & Hilarie: In terms of that as well as attendance right not to have me say walk into their apartment unannounced sure you know that so.

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Noelle Wolfson: And, and it would be you know with the rights of others in the village, to the quiet enjoyment of their property and to be free of excessive continuous unnecessary or disturbing sound.

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Ken & Hilarie: That would be my suggestion.

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Karen Tarapata: what's interesting just pulling it up real quick, you know what's the legal definition of quiet enjoyment, the little definition here includes.

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Karen Tarapata: Other rights related to quiet enjoyment may be tailored to specific certain situations, for example, one Court has found that the ring of smoke alarms for more than a day.

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Karen Tarapata: Is an interference with the tenants quiet enjoyment of least premises so obviously what we're describing has sort of been included in well that was back in 1988, but it was still it was included in a quiet enjoyment case.

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Ken & Hilarie: I just like to think it sounds great okay.

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Ken & Hilarie: So it has some meaning to me, but you know, obviously I defer to relax.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sure, and I don't think it would be an issue I don't think it will be an issue, I think it will be a fine addition I just would like to just take a few minutes to just to confirm it.

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sylviajeff: we're suggesting changes, whether it's just you know sound and noise and other things.

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sylviajeff: Is this going to impact when we can implement this at this point, no okay good.

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Noelle Wolfson: So what will happen so because, to what the municipal home real live requires is that it that you have it.

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Noelle Wolfson: kind of on your desk or since you don't have a physical death mail to you within.

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Noelle Wolfson: 11 days essentially before the hearing, because it's 10 days exclusive Sundays, so that gives us plenty of time before say June 4 which is next Friday.

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Noelle Wolfson: To put these finishing touches on it and get it out to you so that you can have its quote unquote on your desk or in your possession for the 10 days so there's no problem to to comply with that before June 17 hearing.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, so and then tomorrow we'll we'll do the legal notices correct we just make sure that.

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Karen Tarapata: Everything is properly noticed sure.

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Noelle Wolfson: And essentially what what we should do with that and our coordinate with heather is simply change the date from the last hearing to the June hearing, because the form of notice will be the same it continues to be a continuation of the of the hearing.

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Noelle Wolfson: um one other section.

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Noelle Wolfson: That I wanted to go through is the last section, but before we before we do that laurie we have gone through some of the definitions i'm not sure if you have any questions or, if you want me to go back through anything that we have talked about.

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Laurie Dodge: No it's okay i'll read through them again okay.

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Karen Tarapata: I think the biggest change was.

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Karen Tarapata: Eliminating the word noise and just using the word sound, because nobody is has certain implications and we're one step we're just regulating sound and prohibiting certain kinds of sentiment certain duration sound that seemed more neutral.

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Noelle Wolfson: So, then, the last section.

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Noelle Wolfson: To be discussed i'm actually sorry to jump around a bit, but I would like to just go back to that for.

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Noelle Wolfson: Be, which is the animal noise sound provision so did change that a little, because with the definitions, it was awkward to use one definition of continuous sound when relating to machinery and another when relating to animal noises so I.

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Noelle Wolfson: I opted to use to use the defined term continuous down for the machinery and for the animals that.

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Noelle Wolfson: Provision is proposed to be changed to the keeping our harboring have any animal outdoors which barks wines or makes any other sound, which is clearly audible.

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Noelle Wolfson: anywhere beyond the property line of the property in which the animal.

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Noelle Wolfson: is located for a duration, that would annoy or disturb a reasonable person of normal auditory sensitivities, so I know that kind of seems to be an exception from the more general language that we're trying to move away from.

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Noelle Wolfson: But that is a standard that a New York court has affirmed and took it right, right from the language of a.

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michael esmay: Statute that was affirmed by the courts, because it talks about the reasonable person standard.

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Noelle Wolfson: And for the animal sound, and I think that is is what works best because it's not like machinery that runs continuously and.

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Karen Tarapata: No does it have to be anywhere beyond the property line, or is it we want to give it a little extra distance, which we did with the heavy equipment.

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Karen Tarapata: I know I can in my neighborhood.

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Karen Tarapata: hundred feet from the property lightest net is is across the street in order, I mean it is so small and close together but i'm wondering if it at the property line is is too stringent what other people think.

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michael esmay: Would you do.

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Ken & Hilarie: Well, I do know that amongst the issues people bring up to me as, why is it that.

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Ken & Hilarie: Animal disturbances are disturbing at the property line, but other ones are 100 feet away from the property line, so there is, you know there's the opposite version where.

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Ken & Hilarie: Where instead of the animals being regulated from a distant from the property line that other sounds should be regulated at the property line not 100 feet from it so.

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Karen Tarapata: I would adjust the animal or more than I would adjust the.

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Karen Tarapata: know what do you think I mean 100 feet too far, is it that's.

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Noelle Wolfson: So what we have for the radio, TV electronic sound is i'm.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sam audible beyond the property line so anywhere beyond the property line during from 10pm to 10am and then clearly audible from a point that's 300 feet from the property line at all other times so maybe something like that.

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Noelle Wolfson: Is where we want to land for animals to have one regulation for the night and one for the day.

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Karen Tarapata: that's I think that's good and that's very good, because if there's the dogs are locked out and barking all night that's really intolerable, but it would have to be something.

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Karen Tarapata: Quite loud during the day for it to be intolerable.

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Ken & Hilarie: or someone had illegal roosters are crowing at three o'clock in the morning, which grew suits might do.

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Karen Tarapata: I just want to know what that bird is.

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Ken & Hilarie: sisters, I know.

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Karen Tarapata: there's a bird over on high bounce that it's making the weirdest noise I just sit here and listen to it, I hope it gets affiliated woodpecker, but I have a feeling some strange barnyard fall.

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Laurie Dodge: Maybe it's getting.

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Laurie Dodge: Its.

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Karen Tarapata: Getting again.

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michael esmay: Are we going to consider these definitions from Sue Smith, or we discarded them.

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Karen Tarapata: I think we've incorporated a sense.

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Ken & Hilarie: yeah I think we've incorporated them and, again, I would say that my understanding is not.

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Ken & Hilarie: the specifics of the language they wish to incorporate a is more that the sense of what the language asks the law to do and that.

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Ken & Hilarie: You know that that what we're talking about is, in my opinion and it's just my opinion is addressing those concerns.

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Ken & Hilarie: You know if we if we address those concerns in a way that we agree with, and I think that satisfies that we're we're not we don't need to do the exact language.

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Karen Tarapata: I think that the continuous mission, the two definitions are really in alignment.

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sylviajeff: I think we've taken the intent and move forward with it, whether it's specific to what how she laid it out.

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sylviajeff: i'm not sure, but, but I think we're addressing what needs to be addressed.

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michael esmay: yeah and taking out the reference to unnecessary from that section for.

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michael esmay: All right.

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sylviajeff: and continuous operation is some of ours and noises already been changed so.

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michael esmay: Well, would it be right to say this is.

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michael esmay: A reasonable persons law.

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Noelle Wolfson: I think, so I think it provides for.

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Noelle Wolfson: Yes, I think it provides for what a reasonable person standard would generally provide for.

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Noelle Wolfson: And it bounces right to make noise, with the right to be free.

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michael esmay: yeah we're making noise.

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Noelle Wolfson: that's my my personal opinion, informed by by the case law.

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sylviajeff: Good.

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Karen Tarapata: What else do you have.

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Noelle Wolfson: So the last point to consider and discuss is just in section nine the effective date of the law, and this is something that we talked about at the last work session.

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Noelle Wolfson: We weren't quite sure where we wanted that to land, so I just put something proposed that was in the middle.

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Noelle Wolfson: And it says so generally local laws become effective upon their filing with the Department of state's and you adapt them.

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Noelle Wolfson: And they have to be sent to the Department of State Department of State files them and upon that file and they become an effective unless the last specifies a different time not earlier than that date but they're going to become effective so.

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Noelle Wolfson: We had talked about delaying the effective date to provide for an educational campaign about the law.

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Noelle Wolfson: And we had talked about whether we should do that whether we should do that for three months, and whether we should do that for six months.

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Noelle Wolfson: So what's here is that this local law shall take effect on a date that is three months following the date that it's filed in the office of the Secretary of State.

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Karen Tarapata: So my feeling is that I look back through my all my files and we've been.

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Karen Tarapata: Talking about this now for actively talking about it for three years, of course, I also have stepped back in 2012 when Mike and I were talking about it and 2015 we all started talking about it.

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Karen Tarapata: So we've been working on this for 10 years and we've had very active of public outreach for the last three years.

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Karen Tarapata: we've sent posts numerous postcards we've had panel discussions and open forums, I honestly think that we should make this effective the filing.

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Karen Tarapata: But perhaps wave in the fines until a three month period, but I don't know how that's done, but I think the law itself really should be effective on filing.

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sylviajeff: If I recall properly dispose called the Cross child.

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sylviajeff: law because Mike and I, we were divided like no I thought.

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sylviajeff: you'd be the tiebreaker.

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Karen Tarapata: Like.

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Laurie Dodge: where you live.

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Karen Tarapata: I don't think.

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Karen Tarapata: You have an opinion.

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Ken & Hilarie: saw my opinion would be irrespective of everyone's a pressuring on me is that bad I face other pressure is mostly in the home front, and so a three month would probably be what i'd have to settle for.

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Karen Tarapata: But not just going ahead and making it effective on.

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Ken & Hilarie: Best to your question is words no well, which is is their language that says it becomes effective immediately, but we hold off or do we or do we say it, it becomes effective immediately, but then upon us becoming effective has a resolution that at the board that says.

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Ken & Hilarie: Due to the to the significant nature of this law we are you know doing a moratorium on.

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Ken & Hilarie: Penalties you know I don't know what's the what's perhaps the best way, I think that you know, obviously we want, we want people to use the.

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Ken & Hilarie: The three months, six months, whatever we decide to practice adhering to the laws so that we don't have to start you know shipping them off to jail or something but.

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Ken & Hilarie: We don't want them to say Oh, I get to do whatever I want for three months right, so I.

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Ken & Hilarie: think that that's that's the balance we're trying to achieve there and again, not knowing what's the generally accepted way of doing such a thing I might suggest we we make it effective as who is filing and then.

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Ken & Hilarie: announce our intent to ease into enforcement I think we're permitted to do such a thing.

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Noelle Wolfson: Right, so it would be you know it would be in your prosecutorial discretion as to how to issue violations and, if you want to make a blanket statement that it's not going to be enforced within that three month period it's effectively saying that it's not going to be.

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Noelle Wolfson: That it's not going to become effective, because the enforcement provision is you know it's really I don't think you'll get a behavioral difference by saying it's effective but we're not enforcing so saying it's not effective.

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Noelle Wolfson: But if you'd like to have the option, and you meet you know not have a blanket statement just kind of have a general policy but, if something is very egregious be in the position to issue a violation then maybe that is the way you want to go.

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Karen Tarapata: I think that would be a book that warnings unless they're really trying to write us and make this a an issue I think we're where it keeps coming up in the public hearing that people don't know is disingenuous because we've done mailings multiple mailings on.

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Karen Tarapata: This it's not like anything has been unless they don't read it, I could say in okay somebody might not go on the website, but I think most people look at their mail.

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Ken & Hilarie: I think they've had everybody said sufficient notice, and I think you know I like the idea of making enforcement, at least for a period of time that we ourselves decide is not a bad way to go, we obviously can't decide that officially or specifically tonight, because that would be.

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Ken & Hilarie: not appropriate, but I think it would be, it would be great to yeah say let's let's let's have it effective immediately when it's past that would make people happy and then we can use our discretion as to.

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Ken & Hilarie: How we want some.

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Ken & Hilarie: that's the worst one.

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sylviajeff: direction towards egregious or abuse is a good.

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michael esmay: yeah any worse than officer using his or her discretion.

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about its right.

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Karen Tarapata: To issue mornings for things and code enforcement officials, issue warnings, we do that when we have building violations and.

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Karen Tarapata: They issue a warning and play without actually moving to the point of.

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Karen Tarapata: of creating a fine.

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Ken & Hilarie: Well, and I I assume the mayor is empowered to give directives to the code enforcement officer as to.

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Ken & Hilarie: How to proceed with enforcement right.

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Karen Tarapata: Now they have discretion that's there, otherwise, otherwise I could I could fix tickets, and that would be really corrupt.

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Ken & Hilarie: So I think it's.

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Ken & Hilarie: I think you should fix tickets Karen.

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Ken & Hilarie: Sure, somebody somebody should what what kind of small Turner we if we can have that kind of corruption.

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Karen Tarapata: I don't.

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michael esmay: know this is.

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Karen Tarapata: My backpack.

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Ken & Hilarie: There we go.

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Ken & Hilarie: He said was I joking demeanor how about that.

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Karen Tarapata: insouciance around.

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Ken & Hilarie: You know irreverent and.

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Ken & Hilarie: unserious fashion yeah.

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Karen Tarapata: that's.

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michael esmay: Right.

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Ken & Hilarie: I do, like the term insouciant though that's very nice.

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Laurie Dodge: that's a good one.

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sylviajeff: Well, I don't know how.

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sylviajeff: people attending the meeting you're going to feel but i'm sort of happy with the way this is looking right now, to be honest, I think it's impossible I think it's coming down in a good way.

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sylviajeff: reasonably and I think it will be having an effect, and of course it's the first step of southern needs to be changed, we could take another look here.

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Karen Tarapata: I have a feeling that, once we regulate lawn equipment that other communities around that are going to follow our lead.

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Karen Tarapata: Because really interesting as many places have done it West Chester know communities have done it in rockland.

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Karen Tarapata: So it'll be interesting to see.

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Karen Tarapata: That they'll be watching and then they'll be making their own changes I imagine right.

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Ken & Hilarie: Actually, I did have a quick question and I think that's really interesting thing this is sort of different from that, I know that there was.

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Ken & Hilarie: Concerns brought up in the meeting about.

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Ken & Hilarie: Enforcement fines and amount, and you know whether they be considered cost of doing business I I haven't looked to see if that's been addressed in some way are we not addressing it.

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Karen Tarapata: hyper penalty is.

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Karen Tarapata: Very high if let's say you had your alarm company come twice a month, in defiance of this you'd be paying an extra $500 actually $750 in $1,000 a month, the following month.

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Karen Tarapata: So if it ends up being $500 for each violation after your first one that's very high that's not the cost of doing business.

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We don't have.

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Ken & Hilarie: We don't we don't think the shipyard might say Oh, I can I can lose you know 2500 to 5000 a month.

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Ken & Hilarie: You know, violating a 10 1010 days 10 times.

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sylviajeff: I think that's going to be the that's the difficulty with having a law that covers individuals as well as landscape is as well as a shipyard, I mean everybody's cost of doing business.

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Karen Tarapata: Maybe wanting to throw away that money.

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michael esmay: But Michael no no well is.

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Karen Tarapata: There, a point.

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michael esmay: tipping point where, if someone is it a scofflaw that you bring them into court.

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Noelle Wolfson: Yes, there is a provision for injected really so if you have a persistent violet violator you bring them into Supreme Court rockland county and seek an injunction for their violation of the law yeah.

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Noelle Wolfson: Failure to get a court order and joining the violation of the law and it's violated, they can be subject to contempt.

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michael esmay: That covers it.

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sylviajeff: yeah that's good.

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Ken & Hilarie: Okay, I just want to make sure that that concern was addressed or at these that there was some explanation that would be put forward to the Community when they bring that up at the next continuation, which I imagine it will be.

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Karen Tarapata: Now i'm looking forward to making this available to the public before the meeting, because I think we're we've addressed many of their concerns and given us a really hard look.

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michael esmay: The hard look.

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Noelle Wolfson: we've already completed seeker on this with our hard luck references.

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Noelle Wolfson: That.

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Noelle Wolfson: Changes one more time just to make sure that everything is accounted for.

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sylviajeff: Oh.

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Noelle Wolfson: OK So the first thing is that i'm going to get rid of any reference to the word noise.

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and generally.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sound unless down is inappropriate and then we'll work, you know we'll work around to it to get to that intent.

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Noelle Wolfson: i'm going to add to the last sentence of the legislative intent section and the quiet enjoyment language you know, to the quiet enjoyment of their property within the village, and I will do just a little bit of research but barring anything significant that will be.

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Noelle Wolfson: changing the title of Section or to prohibited sounds.

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Karen Tarapata: Ah, eliminating the definition of noise.

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Noelle Wolfson: Eliminating the definition of noise Okay, let me.

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sylviajeff: was a prohibitive, so there was a different word we'd come up with.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sound prohibited sound or yes prohibited sound okay.

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Noelle Wolfson: i'm changing section for be to read the keeping or harboring have any animal outdoors which barks wines and makes other sound, which is clearly audible.

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Noelle Wolfson: Beyond the property line of the property from which the sound is emanating during the hours of 10pm and 10am or clearly audible from a point that is 300 feet from the property line of the property damage the animal is located at all times.

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Noelle Wolfson: Okay um.

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Noelle Wolfson: If it and then, if it would for a duration, that would annoy or just or of the reasonable person of normal auditory sensibilities.

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Noelle Wolfson: i'm not going to make any changes to see one i'm not going to make any changes to see to.

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Noelle Wolfson: i'm not going to make any changes to see three.

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Noelle Wolfson: i'm in see for an academic any changes or the one thing I neglected to point out, was that snow blowers has been added to for see as an exempted device.

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Noelle Wolfson: i'm not going to make any changes to board D.

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Noelle Wolfson: No changes to sections 567 or eight and nine i'm going to change, just to provide that it'll be effective upon the filing with the Secretary of State yeah okay.

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Karen Tarapata: Here we go.

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fantastic.

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Karen Tarapata: went through the definitions, well done, everybody, I have one other thing I was wanting to bring up while everybody's here, and this whole question we got a request from the summit slow.

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Karen Tarapata: To hold their fourth annual five K run walk on June 15 but they didn't bring us anything in time for our regular meeting so they've been the path of resolution.

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Karen Tarapata: allowing them to do these things they did it two years ago they've done it obviously support time they've done this, but now they have not asked us for permission and there's no time before the next before the event for a resolution of board, so no i'm kind of trying to.

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Karen Tarapata: figure out what to do, I hate to tell them they can't do it, but they really have screwed up as far as seeking our permission.

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michael esmay: How hard, is it to do a special meetings at our workshop.

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Karen Tarapata: Well that's the other question here, we felt now if we were to choose to do this, is it is it possible Noel for us to have a special meaning for this law.

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Karen Tarapata: For the noise law and then also do this resolution to allow them to do the run at the same special meeting.

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Karen Tarapata: which would be when June 10 June my birthday i'm willing to give up my birthday dinner to finish this up.

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michael esmay: wow.

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sylviajeff: Well, is true.

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Ken & Hilarie: Is there is there a problem with the fact that our resolution at the last meeting said that we are continuing.

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Ken & Hilarie: This to the 17th you know I mean I don't mind having a quick, you know 10 minute board meeting to approve the summit school on the 10th that's you know.

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michael esmay: Right well we're gonna have a workshop anyway right.

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Right.

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michael esmay: So.

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Karen Tarapata: So it's really.

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When.

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Karen Tarapata: we've done it before.

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Karen Tarapata: Well, I see what you're saying is because we did stated at the end, we should probably stick with the 17 I think that's wise we don't want we don't want to do anything that is herky jerky or untoward at this point.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, so maybe we do a span of we make the workshop, especially getting there are real clear provisions on how that's done.

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sure.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay.

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michael esmay: With a stern letter to the summit school.

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Karen Tarapata: stern I like this okay well do it, it just makes I would be.

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Karen Tarapata: wrong if we gave them the permission in the right way, rather than just me just telling him go right ahead you.

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michael esmay: can't.

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Ken & Hilarie: You don't want to set that precedent.

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Laurie Dodge: Now, I think that would be a bad idea.

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Ken & Hilarie: Okay, good, but you could set you could set the precedent.

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Ken & Hilarie: You say that exceptions to our usual permission granted to only to those who walk boats in the village.

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Karen Tarapata: Oh boy then she said.

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Ken & Hilarie: Well, that would be a good thing.

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michael esmay: So thank you.

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michael esmay: Can I think you're kidding us.

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sylviajeff: I.

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sylviajeff: Be.

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Ken & Hilarie: twice in the same meaning How is that possible right seems so unlikely wait hold on.

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Karen Tarapata: This is already free zone as.

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Ken & Hilarie: We keep letting me make jokes will be here all night we better keep good.

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Karen Tarapata: All right, I feel I feel good about this did it in an hour, this is fantastic Thank you okay.

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Karen Tarapata: All right, everybody Well, no, well, I look forward to getting the revised law, I know.

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Karen Tarapata: Putting it on the website will be a great thing and we'll go, but to get people plenty of time to review it before the continuation.

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Noelle Wolfson: trial circulated tomorrow, these changes and take 10 minutes to make Thank you, Sir.

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Karen Tarapata: All right, everybody unless there's something else you want to talk about this workshop and it's certainly not Noel go, but I don't have anything else for tonight.

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Laurie Dodge: The only thing that I will say so that the board knows is at river hook on the Eighth, we are having an event for.

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Laurie Dodge: Civic it started as an event for not for profit leaders in rockland county but it's turned into an event for civic leaders in rockland county and I think we're up to about 1010 or 11 people who are attending including I mean.

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Laurie Dodge: It looks like Elijah himself is coming according to build list and George.

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sylviajeff: Are you saying.

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Laurie Dodge: We can start you know we can circulate the list.

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Karen Tarapata: nice thing a representative.

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Karen Tarapata: Oh, I was gonna say, the important thing is it's under 25 people because, according to our river hook regulations if it was more than 25 people would also have to have a special meeting to approve it, so I think we'll be fine with just that doesn't doesn't guess on the for an event.

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Laurie Dodge: yeah there could be more I mean I I.

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Karen Tarapata: I.

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Laurie Dodge: guess there are probably about 15 and then the River hook friends of river hook board, so we will all make sure that you guys actually all get an invite as well, if you want to attend it's from 11 to one.

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sylviajeff: It is.

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Laurie Dodge: On June 8 and essentially what it is, is it's just sharing what river what we what we've done with river hook over the course of the last couple of years, and what we hope to do in the future, sharing the design vision.

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Laurie Dodge: Jonathan malloy will be there, who actually put our design vision together.

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Laurie Dodge: Dave the worm guy nat with the bees um I don't know that we'll go behind and show BAT boxes because we've all determined that's not necessarily the best place for them to go but and then we're going to end at the at the front of the House and.

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Laurie Dodge: And if we can do some tours in the House, but we're going to have box lunches for people, which they can sit and enjoy on site, or they can go back to wherever they came from that's kind of the plan.

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I.

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Karen Tarapata: Just, I just wanted to be sure, once again, we really need to comply with our own rules.

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Ken & Hilarie: So I.

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Karen Tarapata: guess we're good.

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Ken & Hilarie: Right, so I know that i'm unable to attend that day thanks so for the invitation it's always in my 30th anniversary so we're off somewhere or other.

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Laurie Dodge: And I thought you were only 30 okay that's such a bad old joke what.

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Laurie Dodge: I have nothing.

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Ken & Hilarie: More yeah no no married by my parents at the age of one no.

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yeah.

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sylviajeff: happy anniversary.

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Laurie Dodge: happy anniversary.

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Ken & Hilarie: Thank you that's wonderful the anniversary.

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Laurie Dodge: So i'll send that to you i'll send the letter that we sent to the the again it's a combination of not for profit and and government leaders across parties.

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sylviajeff: sounds good.

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Ken & Hilarie: sounds great I do.

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Karen Tarapata: pray well we just hope for beautiful weather like.

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Karen Tarapata: Today yeah.

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Laurie Dodge: Right yeah we have no umbrella with sheep on them so.

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Laurie Dodge: yeah I know boots.

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Karen Tarapata: All right, good news lori, thank you for sharing that.

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Karen Tarapata: All right, alright we're done.

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michael esmay: we're done.

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Karen Tarapata: Thank you.

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Ken & Hilarie: Everybody thanks.