WEBVTT 11 00:02:06.090 --> 00:02:22.500 Karen Tarapata: Okay, good evening everybody, this is a the workshop meeting of the upper night village Board of Trustees on January 14 2021 workshop meetings have no agenda and no actions of the Board are taken. 12 00:02:24.330 --> 00:02:26.670 Karen Tarapata: Okay, so. 13 00:02:27.720 --> 00:02:34.500 Karen Tarapata: let's see a list of things that I just want to discuss tonight, and then you can tell me if you got anything else on your mind. 14 00:02:35.730 --> 00:02:43.170 Karen Tarapata: first thing is they're going to be starting that Community solar outreach for the Community so. 15 00:02:44.250 --> 00:02:54.300 Karen Tarapata: They hadn't looked at a little letter and it just basically says, this is an add on if you wish to become part of it it's going to be sent out to residents. 16 00:02:55.440 --> 00:03:08.610 Karen Tarapata: People who sign up to add that, to their Community choice aggregation or even if they have regular if they didn't choose to be part of the CC a but they want to do this, they can do it. 17 00:03:09.690 --> 00:03:15.930 Karen Tarapata: The for the next four or five months the village will get $50 for every new site. 18 00:03:17.100 --> 00:03:24.690 Karen Tarapata: That is supposed to be used for some sustainability project, so they were saying well what would that be, and I thought well. 19 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:33.510 Karen Tarapata: The Green company goes, let me, let me help, let us help you decide, and I sit down, I think, actually, because it won't be that much money. 20 00:03:34.200 --> 00:03:45.630 Karen Tarapata: Really, I don't think that huge number of people are going to sign up it's we could use it for planting trees, we could plant street trees, we could plant trees and preserve it was a nice general. 21 00:03:46.740 --> 00:03:47.250 Karen Tarapata: statement. 22 00:03:48.510 --> 00:04:02.580 Karen Tarapata: That money will go into the general fund but it'll be a line item it's not going to be like in a separate account and then, when we do our budget for next year when we actually get this money of will be able to decide how we want to spend it. 23 00:04:05.970 --> 00:04:07.890 sylviajeff: sounds reasonable yeah. 24 00:04:09.030 --> 00:04:27.270 Karen Tarapata: I get it, I was starting to get a little wound up about it, I talked it over with rich and he's just like make it as simple as possible, give yourself flexibility, because you don't know if you're going to get 3500 or 10,000 you know if $50 a household it's it could be very low. 25 00:04:28.500 --> 00:04:32.580 Karen Tarapata: Particularly if it's only for the next couple of months when people might still be making up their mind. 26 00:04:34.710 --> 00:04:35.370 Karen Tarapata: So we'll see. 27 00:04:37.380 --> 00:04:45.990 Karen Tarapata: next thing interesting exciting thing our regular meeting next week, the comprehensive plan when we opened the public hearing back in June. 28 00:04:46.860 --> 00:04:57.900 Karen Tarapata: we're going to continue that public hearing next Thursday so i've already left the green committee now we're going to let me if two or no tomorrow. 29 00:04:58.440 --> 00:05:06.690 Karen Tarapata: Because the people and all the other people who have made comments we got a letter back from rough and county they say they're satisfied they're not going to make any more comments. 30 00:05:07.140 --> 00:05:13.710 Karen Tarapata: But we want to make sure that anyone who looked at the revisions and wants to come in again feels that they are. 31 00:05:14.010 --> 00:05:23.700 Karen Tarapata: they're being heard and that they know in advance so we'll have to give them a almost a week's notice to reread the new version two and decide if they want to comment and not. 32 00:05:24.720 --> 00:05:28.710 lauriedodge: And i'm proofreading it slowly, I just have two more sections. 33 00:05:29.880 --> 00:05:38.010 lauriedodge: Okay thought I could went through it, I did a lot of it in one day, and then I just then it sits so. 34 00:05:38.910 --> 00:05:43.500 Karen Tarapata: Two more sections well as long as they're just you know grammatical and. 35 00:05:43.500 --> 00:05:44.670 lauriedodge: yeah there's nothing. 36 00:05:44.760 --> 00:05:46.440 lauriedodge: I don't think there's there's nothing. 37 00:05:47.520 --> 00:05:48.870 lauriedodge: that's really substantive. 38 00:05:50.490 --> 00:05:53.340 Karen Tarapata: yeah that'll be fine you just make a better document. 39 00:05:54.390 --> 00:05:56.760 Karen Tarapata: So that's pretty important i'm. 40 00:05:58.560 --> 00:06:06.600 Karen Tarapata: neck the lawyer who rents with James sarna upstairs at a village Hall, he approached me he's a beekeeper. 41 00:06:07.380 --> 00:06:07.680 lauriedodge: yeah. 42 00:06:07.710 --> 00:06:19.410 Karen Tarapata: So cool he got and he was he would like to put some beehives on the preserve he has more bees, then he can have in his yard, I believe he lives in your mind. 43 00:06:20.610 --> 00:06:21.420 Karen Tarapata: So. 44 00:06:22.530 --> 00:06:31.290 Karen Tarapata: He wants to eat would manage it, he has an observation hype, you know, like you see when you were kid and so you can see, inside and see how the bees are building the cold. 45 00:06:32.100 --> 00:06:48.300 Karen Tarapata: It sounds like a great addition to the preserve, but I wanted to know what the legal issues are for keeping bees on public land so today I reached out to cornell cooperative figuring to somebody else has done this, and maybe they can help me out. 46 00:06:52.290 --> 00:06:59.880 Karen Tarapata: Do you have any anybody have any thoughts about bees, besides, maybe drawing bears oh that's The other thing he said he had a small. 47 00:07:01.410 --> 00:07:02.910 Karen Tarapata: Small electric fence. 48 00:07:04.530 --> 00:07:06.420 Karen Tarapata: around it so. 49 00:07:08.760 --> 00:07:09.360 Karen Tarapata: bears. 50 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:15.480 michael esmay: yeah but then there's the human being. 51 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:27.930 Karen Tarapata: Definitely letting people know cuz I mean I worry about somebody getting stung but the thing is the place is loaded with bs right now. 52 00:07:28.230 --> 00:07:28.980 Karen Tarapata: yeah, and this is. 53 00:07:29.340 --> 00:07:30.840 Kennon Rothchild: loaded I. 54 00:07:31.890 --> 00:07:42.180 Kennon Rothchild: yeah i'm i'm totally in favor of having bees that you know the the fear of be highs is vastly overstated there's you know the bees are mostly interested in honey. 55 00:07:44.370 --> 00:08:01.650 Kennon Rothchild: You know if he can protect from bears, then I think I think it's a great thing and a great learning experience and a great way to use to preserve and great for wild flowers grade for pollination great, for you know so many ecological things right. 56 00:08:02.160 --> 00:08:03.630 michael esmay: And it's the bee's knees. 57 00:08:05.040 --> 00:08:05.460 Kennon Rothchild: Yes. 58 00:08:06.330 --> 00:08:07.050 lauriedodge: yeah I love. 59 00:08:08.400 --> 00:08:09.480 Karen Tarapata: You so i'm going to go look. 60 00:08:10.650 --> 00:08:14.040 sylviajeff: I gotta I gotta say I think I think having be used as. 61 00:08:14.070 --> 00:08:28.770 sylviajeff: sounds like a fun idea and it wouldn't be against it, a lesson D there's an issue for being sarcastic with bears and then with the with the electric fence those both sound more concerned than the bees to me. 62 00:08:29.910 --> 00:08:32.190 sylviajeff: Either way, to make this reasonably. 63 00:08:32.640 --> 00:08:33.660 sylviajeff: easy and safe. 64 00:08:34.260 --> 00:08:34.650 michael esmay: Right. 65 00:08:34.920 --> 00:08:46.920 Karen Tarapata: The electric fences this would be the same as the one that Tracy used to have around the garden so next been there, that was there for a year before we put up the new fence, but it just it's a very. 66 00:08:47.640 --> 00:08:54.570 Karen Tarapata: it's a low voltage it's even if you touch it it's just a it's it's not like something that would knock somebody out. 67 00:08:57.750 --> 00:08:58.080 Karen Tarapata: What. 68 00:08:59.340 --> 00:09:08.880 Kennon Rothchild: I want to construct an electrical fence in New York City around our 22nd street apartment we had a backyard to keep the Feral cats out and. 69 00:09:09.330 --> 00:09:17.640 Kennon Rothchild: You know I put my hand on it, to see if it work, and it was like you know someone did a little you know, a pinch on you know it was like ouch. 70 00:09:18.210 --> 00:09:32.880 Kennon Rothchild: And that was that, but when the cat hit it we saw one hit it fly off into the air, so we had me look over the side to see if it was still alive, it was like twitching or something that we couldn't find it, but no other cat. 71 00:09:32.970 --> 00:09:34.470 Kennon Rothchild: Ever tried to get here. 72 00:09:36.390 --> 00:09:36.960 Karen Tarapata: We don't worry. 73 00:09:38.850 --> 00:09:45.090 Kennon Rothchild: He went back to all the you know the 40 other Feral cats oh we're back and said don't go there. 74 00:09:46.680 --> 00:09:47.850 Karen Tarapata: No, she said. 75 00:09:53.400 --> 00:10:03.090 Karen Tarapata: Okay, so I think the next The next step is walking the property and deciding which sunny spot would be, it should be sunny spot so they warm up faster. 76 00:10:03.660 --> 00:10:14.880 Karen Tarapata: Where would it be that it's not too close to any property mine I think that's, the main thing you don't want it right up against somebody's backyard yeah so i'll work with both. 77 00:10:15.840 --> 00:10:17.700 michael esmay: Let your lawyer to some of that. 78 00:10:19.080 --> 00:10:20.820 Karen Tarapata: Oh that's right hey he's a liar. 79 00:10:22.140 --> 00:10:22.440 Karen Tarapata: yeah. 80 00:10:24.210 --> 00:10:36.990 sylviajeff: This is the type thing that's easily moved from one location within the perimeter to another yes okay great all right, because, as we hopefully build up on it, I think we may want to be able to do that, but that's good yeah. 81 00:10:37.410 --> 00:10:40.830 Karen Tarapata: Well that's it, he was saying that he would be willing to do some. 82 00:10:42.150 --> 00:10:49.770 Karen Tarapata: Like edgy little educational zoom thing about these and in the fall when harvest the honey and consolidates. 83 00:10:51.480 --> 00:10:55.350 Karen Tarapata: He would he would love to have people see that the Beatles zoom to. 84 00:10:56.970 --> 00:10:59.220 lauriedodge: We could have maybe we get a river whole company. 85 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:06.360 Karen Tarapata: wouldn't that be awesome that would be that would be really cool little jars of revenue for the company. 86 00:11:06.570 --> 00:11:16.920 Karen Tarapata: yeah yeah because people would want it, for their allergies, because you know they say that me from your locale from your neighborhood is good for preventing allergies. 87 00:11:16.950 --> 00:11:20.550 lauriedodge: yeah yeah he would love that yeah. 88 00:11:20.580 --> 00:11:21.810 Karen Tarapata: that's a very cool idea. 89 00:11:22.380 --> 00:11:24.750 lauriedodge: So yeah social enterprise in the middle. 90 00:11:27.030 --> 00:11:27.480 yep. 91 00:11:29.280 --> 00:11:41.040 Karen Tarapata: And the other thing I have oh don't forget, we have a joint meeting special meaning on the 26th of the box town town board, this is about the annexation. 92 00:11:41.790 --> 00:11:53.490 Karen Tarapata: Remember, we I just need a forum to where we're expecting the petition for the annexation from the owners and then we meet with the town board and. 93 00:11:55.530 --> 00:12:05.940 Karen Tarapata: Together we look over the environmental assessment form it'll be a very short meeting, but it has to happen on the 26 as part of their meeting. 94 00:12:06.270 --> 00:12:07.200 michael esmay: You know the time. 95 00:12:07.770 --> 00:12:08.250 lauriedodge: Oh sorry. 96 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:14.910 Karen Tarapata: I haven't send an invite yet i'm we talked about it last month that's why I thought I gotta bring it up because it's it's coming up. 97 00:12:15.390 --> 00:12:17.640 lauriedodge: yeah I haven't on my calendar at seven. 98 00:12:18.420 --> 00:12:21.540 lauriedodge: yeah yeah okay come from you. 99 00:12:22.530 --> 00:12:23.100 Karen Tarapata: Know come. 100 00:12:24.000 --> 00:12:25.950 Karen Tarapata: come from clark's town. 101 00:12:25.980 --> 00:12:32.850 Karen Tarapata: Okay, because I mean that's we're going to be I believe logging into their teleconference. 102 00:12:33.030 --> 00:12:33.810 lauriedodge: gotcha okay. 103 00:12:34.560 --> 00:12:38.460 Karen Tarapata: But I have to talk to the be a lawyer, Paul show felt next week. 104 00:12:39.990 --> 00:12:40.650 Karen Tarapata: and 105 00:12:42.360 --> 00:12:45.720 Karen Tarapata: So it should be pretty simple but it's just, we need a quorum to. 106 00:12:46.830 --> 00:12:47.640 Karen Tarapata: move it ahead. 107 00:12:50.790 --> 00:12:53.700 Karen Tarapata: last thing on my list yeah. 108 00:12:54.720 --> 00:12:58.890 Karen Tarapata: Oh, it was suggested that we might want to put some. 109 00:12:59.970 --> 00:13:08.850 Karen Tarapata: led like something some kind of flashing light on the STOP signs on broadway because people are still blowing through the STOP sign at Castle heights. 110 00:13:09.900 --> 00:13:17.820 Karen Tarapata: I got an email from a company on long island that specializes in led stop signs, I can send you their information. 111 00:13:18.540 --> 00:13:33.390 Karen Tarapata: The guy was really responsive it's about 500 bucks per sign and our dp who could do the installation, so it sounded pretty easy and he gave me a long list of all the towns that he's worked with so I figured we could probably. 112 00:13:34.410 --> 00:13:42.990 Karen Tarapata: reach out, it seems, from what we're researches from these towns, it can reduce the blow through is by about 50% so. 113 00:13:43.050 --> 00:13:45.450 lauriedodge: Does it activate when people. 114 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:52.290 lauriedodge: pull up when people get close to it, or is it just blinking all the time and will that affect the neighbors will they care. 115 00:13:53.370 --> 00:13:59.340 Karen Tarapata: Well that's the thing like it doesn't blink good question does it link Oh, I believe it does blink all the time. 116 00:14:00.540 --> 00:14:02.130 Karen Tarapata: Because I don't believe it's motion. 117 00:14:02.550 --> 00:14:04.350 michael esmay: there's a blinking so in there now. 118 00:14:05.670 --> 00:14:08.010 Karen Tarapata: I know, but that's a speed sign. 119 00:14:08.700 --> 00:14:10.650 Karen Tarapata: or no but Oh, I agree. 120 00:14:11.700 --> 00:14:13.890 michael esmay: My point is I don't think any neighbors. 121 00:14:14.640 --> 00:14:26.310 lauriedodge: know but that one's not where the STOP sign is so that sign is when you go past the STOP sign it's in front of the the hook and it's in front of empire so there's no. 122 00:14:26.940 --> 00:14:44.730 lauriedodge: No one would it's not really affecting anyone, but if you have that stop sign that's flashing it affects the people who just put the new siding on the House Nick and trina Jen of I don't know if it really does i'm just i'm just posing the question. 123 00:14:44.730 --> 00:14:47.790 Karen Tarapata: I think you're right, I think we want to see how. 124 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:55.200 Karen Tarapata: How bright, it is, if it is just the kind of thing that catches your eye I don't I think they're well, I have to find out. 125 00:14:56.070 --> 00:15:16.560 lauriedodge: No it's funny I just saw someone run that the other night I also twice in the last couple of days, I was coming South on Midland I was going to make a left on birchwood and twice in two or three days, people blew the STOP sign coming North on Midland and birchwood. 126 00:15:17.250 --> 00:15:18.930 Karen Tarapata: Oh yeah oh yeah. 127 00:15:20.340 --> 00:15:28.950 Karen Tarapata: So if these if this works will use it in the high risk on the high risk signs, but I think that. 128 00:15:30.540 --> 00:15:39.450 Karen Tarapata: Castle heights and broadway we know we've talked about a blinking red light, for a long time, but if we don't have to we don't want to put anything in the air. 129 00:15:40.470 --> 00:15:42.210 Karen Tarapata: Being able to put it on the. 130 00:15:42.510 --> 00:15:43.620 Stop sign itself. 131 00:15:44.640 --> 00:15:45.090 lauriedodge: yeah. 132 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:54.240 Karen Tarapata: To find out how bright, is it will it bother the neighbors does it link all the time can be motion controlled but motion control to be hard to be quite a distance. 133 00:15:54.270 --> 00:15:58.680 lauriedodge: yeah yeah and that's another that would be some other apparatus. 134 00:16:00.390 --> 00:16:02.880 lauriedodge: That would have to trigger it yep. 135 00:16:03.450 --> 00:16:03.750 Karen Tarapata: So. 136 00:16:04.560 --> 00:16:12.210 lauriedodge: Can I ask is because it's just such close proximity, I mean not you know when i've gone past signs like that, before they haven't really bothered me but I haven't. 137 00:16:12.330 --> 00:16:21.060 lauriedodge: really thought about it from you know, a neighbor standpoint, I mean, I think it makes sense from a safety standpoint for sure, but I. 138 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:25.920 Karen Tarapata: think it about her the berkowitz can make this they're too far back i'm not sure. 139 00:16:26.430 --> 00:16:32.070 Karen Tarapata: i'll find out i'll talk to the guy he was really responsive, because I got just a solicitation email. 140 00:16:32.460 --> 00:16:45.390 Karen Tarapata: And then I wrote him back with a bunch of questions and he got back to me like that, and was very responsive and he said, you know your dp w can set it up, but if you think it would be more helpful, I can come and help them, you know we can set up an installation thing. 141 00:16:46.680 --> 00:16:53.460 Karen Tarapata: i'll find out for for a reasonable amount of money, we could do something that might actually improve safety. 142 00:16:54.090 --> 00:17:05.820 sylviajeff: I can be wrong about this, but i'm sort of an impression that most of the speed is done headed North a castle you know throw away so I didn't have enough, we needed on the corner, like in front of the troll at it south. 143 00:17:07.530 --> 00:17:08.280 Karen Tarapata: You know, as. 144 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:11.070 michael esmay: i've seen them both ways. 145 00:17:11.460 --> 00:17:12.720 sylviajeff: Okay, then that's fine. 146 00:17:15.090 --> 00:17:16.080 Karen Tarapata: yeah OK. 147 00:17:17.220 --> 00:17:19.260 Karen Tarapata: I will ask Jill to and Mike. 148 00:17:20.910 --> 00:17:22.350 Karen Tarapata: You would deliver the wonderful really. 149 00:17:22.350 --> 00:17:24.720 Karen Tarapata: Keep an eagle eye out for that. 150 00:17:25.050 --> 00:17:25.500 yeah. 151 00:17:27.540 --> 00:17:31.170 Karen Tarapata: Mike said either your bike says yes it is Jill. 152 00:17:33.960 --> 00:17:34.950 Karen Tarapata: Okay. 153 00:17:36.330 --> 00:17:39.810 Karen Tarapata: Tomorrow we're going to get our new garbage can enclosure. 154 00:17:40.950 --> 00:17:50.910 Karen Tarapata: We murdered a nice wooden garbage can and closures, for the village Hall, and in typical fashion the driver didn't call ahead. 155 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:59.430 Karen Tarapata: Did didn't know what to do when he got there didn't have a lift gate as billy what he should do billy said I don't know. 156 00:17:59.820 --> 00:18:14.160 Karen Tarapata: drive it up to the GP w the guy never called village hall never got out of his truck so now it's sitting ability at dp w so our guys have to bring it down I call these people up and like you told everything you know you told me everything I had to do. 157 00:18:15.390 --> 00:18:19.860 Karen Tarapata: And I did everything and this guy just he yeah. 158 00:18:20.940 --> 00:18:28.560 Karen Tarapata: it's very frustrating so i'm going to figure out how much time it takes and I get to charge them back for our VP w guys time. 159 00:18:29.730 --> 00:18:30.780 Karen Tarapata: That was our agreement. 160 00:18:31.080 --> 00:18:32.250 sylviajeff: Good that's. 161 00:18:34.380 --> 00:18:35.340 Karen Tarapata: The shouldn't happen. 162 00:18:38.880 --> 00:18:42.000 Karen Tarapata: Yet, but i'm busy that he said we would but we'll see. 163 00:18:43.740 --> 00:18:49.470 Karen Tarapata: A truck signs, so we put up a note what billy said was I know truck sign. 164 00:18:50.940 --> 00:19:00.150 Karen Tarapata: i'm sorry I let him I let him pick pick a side, the little square sign it has a little black Square and to little black rectangles. 165 00:19:01.560 --> 00:19:06.480 Karen Tarapata: And a crust So if you look at it really hard to say yeah looks like the back end of a truck. 166 00:19:07.710 --> 00:19:19.410 Karen Tarapata: But it's not any one thing, like the standard round with the truck in it with everybody who's you know trucks, so when the guy from the dp from the purple. 167 00:19:20.730 --> 00:19:25.800 Karen Tarapata: Oh, what does it do it looked at it, he goes where did he find this. 168 00:19:28.530 --> 00:19:31.620 Karen Tarapata: He said he got another book and he goes boy. 169 00:19:33.510 --> 00:19:43.770 Karen Tarapata: So, so we will put that sign at the bottom of old mountain road, I mean where it's not at you know going up if it's not as mission critical. 170 00:19:44.490 --> 00:19:52.710 Karen Tarapata: And we're getting a real sign to put across from the gas station to let people know that they're not supposed to make that turn. 171 00:19:53.670 --> 00:20:04.230 Karen Tarapata: I need to call this woman at the do it, to see if she could, and she may be willing to do it, but some signs going North and South, on nine w. 172 00:20:04.710 --> 00:20:16.380 Karen Tarapata: At that intersection saying you know no trucks don't turn local deliveries only trucks nope turn so that people they don't start down old mountain, because then they don't know what to do right right. 173 00:20:16.680 --> 00:20:18.300 lauriedodge: It has to start at nine w. 174 00:20:18.870 --> 00:20:19.170 Right. 175 00:20:21.120 --> 00:20:22.140 Karen Tarapata: yeah yeah Mike. 176 00:20:22.650 --> 00:20:29.190 michael esmay: i'm wondering where their jurisdiction stops how far they go into. 177 00:20:30.420 --> 00:20:31.740 michael esmay: Christian hell road. 178 00:20:34.410 --> 00:20:35.010 Karen Tarapata: i'm. 179 00:20:37.200 --> 00:20:38.190 michael esmay: Not at the edge. 180 00:20:38.220 --> 00:20:45.690 michael esmay: it's not worth it, you know the debut pavement and Krishna will meet I think it's farther in. 181 00:20:46.500 --> 00:20:49.410 Karen Tarapata: I think it's, whereas the guide rail starts there. 182 00:20:54.180 --> 00:20:59.730 lauriedodge: Like before the school before you go would go into the athletic building for the school. 183 00:20:59.760 --> 00:21:01.320 Karen Tarapata: No, no, when you're turning down. 184 00:21:01.500 --> 00:21:02.910 lauriedodge: Oh down. 185 00:21:04.140 --> 00:21:14.220 Karen Tarapata: Rail by the Cross button walk there's the middle guide real I think as far east as that goes, is where their jurisdiction, though. 186 00:21:14.220 --> 00:21:25.830 michael esmay: still wondering if you can deal with them and pick the sign that you want and get them to approve it and put it in the best place for it to be seen right. 187 00:21:26.010 --> 00:21:41.070 Karen Tarapata: And because i'd like to get it on nine w itself, the return that's what i'm supposed to tell her and I haven't had a chance to call her because I have to call email or send her local law describe the problem and describe the solution. 188 00:21:41.760 --> 00:21:47.070 Karen Tarapata: yeah and this guy Jim roski said he thought it was very likely that she would agree. 189 00:21:49.290 --> 00:21:54.510 Karen Tarapata: and try and help us keep people keep the big trucks there the through tracks on nine w. 190 00:21:55.830 --> 00:22:10.710 Karen Tarapata: That he also told me, I should put a double yellow line down the middle of Castle heights and and then he told me a bunch of other crazy stuff because he just didn't stop talking but I did get I got my answer before he went off into traffic engineer land. 191 00:22:11.520 --> 00:22:14.010 lauriedodge: Double yellow line on Castle heights. 192 00:22:16.020 --> 00:22:28.170 Karen Tarapata: wow i'm like he goes wow if you have truck traffic on your purse, you should have that and people would know this is a commercial road and, as I said, you want to come up the Hill and talk to Larry with me because I don't think Larry nathan's who's gonna buy this. 193 00:22:29.940 --> 00:22:32.880 Karen Tarapata: And then you just he just kept talking so we talked about. 194 00:22:34.290 --> 00:22:38.220 Karen Tarapata: You know the people on the street don't want to make it look more commercial than. 195 00:22:39.630 --> 00:22:39.990 lauriedodge: yeah. 196 00:22:40.050 --> 00:22:49.980 Karen Tarapata: We know where the commercial road but we don't love the fact that we're the commercial yeah yeah with a buck and everything so, but he didn't give a good advice about this. 197 00:22:51.270 --> 00:22:57.630 sylviajeff: Did you outreach which was excellent to Google maps have any dividends, did they change it. 198 00:22:58.530 --> 00:23:19.110 Karen Tarapata: I don't I don't know because it would just be you'd have to literally I don't know the problem is that the truck drivers won't pay for commercial GPS they're just using a car GPS and, of course, if you've got a semi tractor trailer with a 53 foot container on the back. 199 00:23:20.130 --> 00:23:26.340 Karen Tarapata: that's what the what works for car doesn't work from a truck it's just cheapness yeah. 200 00:23:27.900 --> 00:23:46.140 lauriedodge: I haven't seen as many honestly I did see one today, but I, I made a mental note that it was the first one, I had seen since we had our conversation, the last time I haven't really been seeing as many and it came down i'm pretty sure he came down birchwood mm hmm. 201 00:23:47.040 --> 00:23:56.370 Karen Tarapata: Well, the guy said they saw a big truck go down lower old mountain and they got the license plate, and the name of the company. 202 00:23:57.180 --> 00:24:08.310 Karen Tarapata: And I thought the best thing they're supposed to get That to me is i'll just send them to let the company a letter right saying this truck was on and this day this truck was on this road, and this is our local law. 203 00:24:08.940 --> 00:24:18.510 Karen Tarapata: yeah consider yourself more and that's really nothing we can do at this point yeah they weren't you know, try and run the guy off the road so. 204 00:24:19.710 --> 00:24:25.560 lauriedodge: I really I think the guys I because it is, it has happened to us with Google where. 205 00:24:26.070 --> 00:24:33.300 lauriedodge: It finds one minute difference and it it pops up and it's like don't you want to do this. 206 00:24:33.690 --> 00:24:51.600 lauriedodge: And you know, sometimes we say yes, sometimes we say no, and I think the drive the truck driver would do the same, like sure I want to save a couple minutes I under I failed to understand how coming through upper neck and then nyack saves anybody any time off of nine w but. 207 00:24:52.050 --> 00:24:52.890 lauriedodge: Maybe that's. 208 00:24:52.920 --> 00:24:53.880 Karen Tarapata: what's happening. 209 00:24:54.030 --> 00:24:54.960 lauriedodge: You know it's just. 210 00:24:55.230 --> 00:24:56.400 Karen Tarapata: So I think so. 211 00:24:56.790 --> 00:24:57.420 lauriedodge: and bad. 212 00:24:58.170 --> 00:24:59.400 Karen Tarapata: That happened in brooklyn. 213 00:24:59.730 --> 00:25:09.240 Karen Tarapata: or where you're driving and then they can go up behind through some parking lot and yeah some crazy street you like Why am I back. 214 00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:10.320 lauriedodge: yeah right. 215 00:25:10.560 --> 00:25:20.160 Karen Tarapata: yeah it's crazy my crews and and step all over the street in you can save me two minutes and then 40 minutes, replacing the tire. 216 00:25:20.340 --> 00:25:20.880 lauriedodge: yeah right. 217 00:25:23.490 --> 00:25:27.600 Karen Tarapata: Nuts all right that's all the last thing is. 218 00:25:29.070 --> 00:25:34.470 Karen Tarapata: Is the schedule of fees I just sent you something recent just in the last few minutes. 219 00:25:35.730 --> 00:25:42.990 Karen Tarapata: which I just wanted for consideration and really i'm going to sort of turn this over to Mike Mike we've been talking about since we. 220 00:25:43.980 --> 00:25:55.860 Karen Tarapata: Since we've changed the architectural review board la people were coming in, for a site plan approval will be returning to the planning board because they most of them many applications will be going to the aarp. 221 00:25:56.460 --> 00:26:06.000 Karen Tarapata: And then returning to the planning board we used to have a continuation fee of $100 every time they came back to the planning board. 222 00:26:07.020 --> 00:26:09.780 Karen Tarapata: decided to encourage them to have their their shit together. 223 00:26:11.100 --> 00:26:24.510 Karen Tarapata: And it seems onerous now that we're forcing that So the question really is, and what has been suggested to me is that perhaps we raise the initial. 224 00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:42.450 Karen Tarapata: fee and then drop all the continuation fees so where we charge $250 to come in for an application to the planning board maybe we raise it to 300 but drop any continuation fees. 225 00:26:43.440 --> 00:26:56.160 Karen Tarapata: Or we leave it at 250 and drop the continuation fees, the I guess originally the goal was that these fees would cover the cost of the staff doing site, you know doing all the work in the office. 226 00:26:58.170 --> 00:27:00.600 Karen Tarapata: I don't know if that's really valid, I think. 227 00:27:01.770 --> 00:27:03.990 Karen Tarapata: Our village government sort of exists. 228 00:27:05.100 --> 00:27:06.960 Karen Tarapata: For land use and that's a public good. 229 00:27:07.560 --> 00:27:08.040 yeah. 230 00:27:09.120 --> 00:27:21.270 michael esmay: You can talk to bill about it, but when i'm involved with a project in orange town and it's a continuation it's the same 250 bucks or whatever it is. 231 00:27:21.750 --> 00:27:33.150 michael esmay: It doesn't you know it doesn't change by virtue of the fact that there's a continuation and they argue that it's just the same cost, you know times to. 232 00:27:34.740 --> 00:27:41.250 Karen Tarapata: I don't know Noel was using orange town as an example onerous fees that's why I wanted to get you involved. 233 00:27:41.280 --> 00:27:46.740 michael esmay: Well yeah but I mean that's a good example that i'm familiar with dealing with them. 234 00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:49.440 Karen Tarapata: What about parks town, do you know. 235 00:27:50.430 --> 00:27:55.230 michael esmay: I haven't done anything clarkson in a while well, so I don't remember. 236 00:27:56.550 --> 00:27:59.580 michael esmay: Know Noel Noel and now she does work there. 237 00:28:00.600 --> 00:28:02.970 Karen Tarapata: yeah she said that. 238 00:28:03.690 --> 00:28:14.970 Karen Tarapata: She thought we either raise it to 300 and drop the return fee or drop the return feed period I don't know what, what do you think I mean it doesn't really cover costs. 239 00:28:16.020 --> 00:28:18.570 michael esmay: are lower lower lower the return fee. 240 00:28:20.760 --> 00:28:21.540 Karen Tarapata: lower the return. 241 00:28:22.440 --> 00:28:23.310 michael esmay: i'll think about it. 242 00:28:24.030 --> 00:28:28.110 Karen Tarapata: Well, it can also is our main point to collect money, or is it to dissuade. 243 00:28:28.110 --> 00:28:30.330 lauriedodge: People from the team. 244 00:28:31.980 --> 00:28:34.770 michael esmay: You got to cover the cost the cost of. 245 00:28:35.250 --> 00:28:37.710 lauriedodge: Doing this or it. 246 00:28:37.800 --> 00:28:39.810 Karen Tarapata: would be the cost of jail, you know. 247 00:28:39.870 --> 00:28:41.130 lauriedodge: Really yeah you know. 248 00:28:41.910 --> 00:28:46.410 michael esmay: And they would be the kind of the best person to talk to, I think. 249 00:28:46.950 --> 00:28:47.730 Karen Tarapata: because she cannot do. 250 00:28:47.820 --> 00:28:50.640 michael esmay: This and you maybe already have. 251 00:28:51.270 --> 00:29:05.640 Karen Tarapata: That you Joe Joe wants to get rid of them, because she thinks it's unfair now that we're forcing people to come back who might otherwise have just been able to come once now because of the new way rb law, they have to come back she thinks it's unfair. 252 00:29:07.230 --> 00:29:08.850 michael esmay: Well, all right, I mean. 253 00:29:10.470 --> 00:29:18.150 Karen Tarapata: But that's just her that's just one person's point of view that's why I wanted to bring it up now, because we need to let the applicants know. 254 00:29:18.630 --> 00:29:29.370 Karen Tarapata: If we are going to change something you know, and we can change our schedule of fees that any meeting we took it out of the annual meeting, instead of made it, we can we can. 255 00:29:29.490 --> 00:29:32.010 michael esmay: adjust these fees, but what what are they. 256 00:29:34.770 --> 00:29:43.230 michael esmay: said what versus what percentage of these planning board applications are going to go through this double bind. 257 00:29:44.370 --> 00:29:52.560 michael esmay: Is it all of them, is it, as you know, i'm not sure about that if it's all of them, or maybe what you do is just raise the. 258 00:29:53.580 --> 00:29:57.300 michael esmay: The fee to 300 and that kind of covers it. 259 00:29:58.260 --> 00:30:02.220 Karen Tarapata: that's what I thought I like them like that was no else first choice. 260 00:30:02.490 --> 00:30:02.820 michael esmay: yeah. 261 00:30:02.850 --> 00:30:12.540 Karen Tarapata: When I went through today, but we can look at kutztown human I can send it around, but that was her recommendation was raise it a little bit and to heck with the returns. 262 00:30:13.590 --> 00:30:14.820 michael esmay: You know our our fees. 263 00:30:15.120 --> 00:30:18.900 michael esmay: Are fees are generally lower than other places that's for sure. 264 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:23.580 But maybe that's just. 265 00:30:27.630 --> 00:30:27.930 sylviajeff: me. 266 00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:29.820 sylviajeff: Neither were forcing them to. 267 00:30:29.820 --> 00:30:39.630 sylviajeff: Come back i'm just $300 or 250 does that cover our expenses it just that not cover it, I mean this isn't going to be a profit Center for us, but the other. 268 00:30:40.800 --> 00:30:41.160 sylviajeff: work. 269 00:30:42.030 --> 00:30:47.160 sylviajeff: Like what courses and if we could figure out what that is now that we know is most likely most. 270 00:30:47.160 --> 00:30:51.210 sylviajeff: cure your second meeting but it's not turned out to be what is that number. 271 00:30:53.250 --> 00:31:10.800 Karen Tarapata: yeah I don't know, but it would be hard to figure out because some plans are very simple and some are extremely complex one person comes in for a very simple deck or you know and somebody else is coming in, for those the gardens of Versailles. 272 00:31:11.910 --> 00:31:12.510 sylviajeff: So. 273 00:31:12.660 --> 00:31:21.450 sylviajeff: When we say it's going to be $300 for the first two meetings and that's what's required and after that there's additional fee for further meetings. 274 00:31:21.630 --> 00:31:22.350 lauriedodge: yeah I like. 275 00:31:22.860 --> 00:31:23.490 sylviajeff: The project. 276 00:31:24.660 --> 00:31:32.700 lauriedodge: yeah I like that, because if it is really complex and they're coming back multiple times, and they are complying whether they are or aren't. 277 00:31:33.150 --> 00:31:34.020 lauriedodge: yeah like that. 278 00:31:35.550 --> 00:31:43.410 Karen Tarapata: Okay, then I think that that sounds fair let's let's roll that over in your head, so we can talk about it again it's the regular meeting. 279 00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:46.920 Karen Tarapata: But I. 280 00:31:46.980 --> 00:31:47.220 lauriedodge: mean. 281 00:31:47.700 --> 00:31:48.870 For the first to. 282 00:31:52.050 --> 00:31:55.590 lauriedodge: Within a within a schedule, then you know. 283 00:31:55.650 --> 00:31:56.880 Karen Tarapata: And then your hundred. 284 00:31:56.910 --> 00:31:58.560 Karen Tarapata: For each return yeah. 285 00:32:00.690 --> 00:32:05.640 Karen Tarapata: I like that does that does separate the ordinary from the extremely complex. 286 00:32:08.010 --> 00:32:11.910 Karen Tarapata: let's see was it also the same thing for the CPA. 287 00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:25.260 Karen Tarapata: Because the zebra a lot of times know that's the other part, is that things are going to if let's say the because the CPA and the ARV might have to go to the vpn back in others. 288 00:32:25.950 --> 00:32:37.410 Karen Tarapata: It could be the same thing so probably we want to do the same for an interpretation of the zoning ordinance to 50 for the first well i'm not sure i'm not sure. 289 00:32:38.100 --> 00:32:38.580 that's another. 290 00:32:40.020 --> 00:32:43.320 michael esmay: I don't see the connection between the ever be in the zoning. 291 00:32:45.930 --> 00:32:48.660 michael esmay: zoning board is is has to do with. 292 00:32:50.370 --> 00:32:55.830 michael esmay: relief for people who don't conform with the zoning ordinance. 293 00:32:56.370 --> 00:33:12.420 Karen Tarapata: I know it was it was you're right the second planning board the second planning board return that the second appearance could be triggered by having to go to the zoning board and then back to the planning board So yes, having the first to cover. 294 00:33:13.230 --> 00:33:14.760 michael esmay: Those are two separate fees. 295 00:33:16.020 --> 00:33:20.310 Karen Tarapata: Okay, so we're just changing thinking about changing one. 296 00:33:20.940 --> 00:33:21.300 yeah. 297 00:33:31.500 --> 00:33:32.700 Karen Tarapata: Now I turn it over to the. 298 00:33:35.580 --> 00:33:45.030 sylviajeff: question about the email that went out today about not being covered on the guardrail incident by the insurance company, what is our insurance, I mean. 299 00:33:45.630 --> 00:33:54.600 sylviajeff: is anathema with the policy, because when I shoot you know it was pointed out that I looked at it, I looked at it just to see what the personal liability was. 300 00:33:54.900 --> 00:34:07.800 sylviajeff: When I was coming on so does that does that policy cover, just like our structures, like village Hall, and the ones in the preserve what is it basically for up and I asked for incidents where we need help with. 301 00:34:08.430 --> 00:34:15.330 sylviajeff: You know, say let's say there was flooding in a sewer burst on broadway you know, on street would that be covered by this. 302 00:34:15.390 --> 00:34:36.210 Karen Tarapata: policy when I go Yes, this is, but this is not covered structure they're saying it's a fence now it isn't really a fence, it is made out of wood, but it's not a fence, the question is how do we want to try and appeal their decision. 303 00:34:37.980 --> 00:34:38.700 Karen Tarapata: I mean we. 304 00:34:40.230 --> 00:34:42.810 lauriedodge: How much is it going to cost to fix it well. 305 00:34:42.900 --> 00:34:51.090 Karen Tarapata: Well, it needed to be upgraded anyway, it was really not in compliance with any modern it's about $6,000. 306 00:34:51.450 --> 00:34:51.720 lauriedodge: Is it. 307 00:34:53.070 --> 00:34:55.020 lauriedodge: it's not going to be what again it'll be metal. 308 00:34:58.350 --> 00:35:02.970 sylviajeff: it's it's the job of the insurance company to say no, and every possibility. 309 00:35:06.420 --> 00:35:07.140 sylviajeff: You start. 310 00:35:07.170 --> 00:35:22.380 sylviajeff: down the road of trying to get past that, if not for the full amount for at least a partial matt is to send a letter back saying this is wrong we're covered this by the time this isn't somebody personal property, this is us, please cover this and then. 311 00:35:22.890 --> 00:35:23.340 Karen Tarapata: here's the. 312 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.320 Karen Tarapata: thing either. 313 00:35:25.620 --> 00:35:33.480 Karen Tarapata: I need a lawyer to write that letter i'm going to figure out who to have write that letter because I think that's. 314 00:35:36.060 --> 00:35:39.180 michael esmay: It, what are we getting for $6,000. 315 00:35:41.040 --> 00:35:42.180 michael esmay: that's a lot of money. 316 00:35:46.740 --> 00:35:56.910 Karen Tarapata: Well, you know if we're getting it from jam fence and they are by far the least expensive guide rail provider out there by far. 317 00:35:59.700 --> 00:36:07.740 Karen Tarapata: They did the wind up by of up near the gas station where the road where the by the sidewalk where the. 318 00:36:08.970 --> 00:36:13.680 Karen Tarapata: embankment was collapsing and they were so much less than anybody else. 319 00:36:15.030 --> 00:36:17.850 Karen Tarapata: You can come and look at the at the y can send you the. 320 00:36:18.090 --> 00:36:20.100 michael esmay: idea i'd be interested, you know. 321 00:36:20.910 --> 00:36:25.710 sylviajeff: Do we have much do we actually obtained multiple bids from people for this. 322 00:36:26.580 --> 00:36:28.650 Karen Tarapata: No, this was meant as an emergency. 323 00:36:29.700 --> 00:36:35.730 Karen Tarapata: This is, we will suspend as an emergency, unfortunately, even as an emergency it's going to be it's 10 weeks to get materials. 324 00:36:37.680 --> 00:36:48.090 Karen Tarapata: Because I know I know that's that's that's The thing is, we had to get somebody signed on immediately because someone can drive right into the event, you know right into the stream. 325 00:36:49.200 --> 00:36:49.650 Karen Tarapata: library. 326 00:36:50.550 --> 00:36:51.450 it's bad. 327 00:36:53.040 --> 00:36:59.580 sylviajeff: Because I figured there's multiple if we know that 6000 cheapest because we've got you know people saying 1215 or. 328 00:36:59.580 --> 00:37:09.900 Karen Tarapata: Whatever just from the past, I had them in it, because they were they have consistently been the lowest on many other jobs, and it was an emergency bed. 329 00:37:10.920 --> 00:37:11.280 Karen Tarapata: Now. 330 00:37:12.600 --> 00:37:13.170 Karen Tarapata: Where the. 331 00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:24.420 Karen Tarapata: headwall was hit at the corner of old mountain road and Midland that was completely covered by the insurance company of the driver who slammed into that. 332 00:37:25.080 --> 00:37:39.660 Karen Tarapata: Because the police came because they clamp their car into it into a concrete wall so that's covered, but the one at the bottom of old mountain and broadway is not. 333 00:37:40.680 --> 00:37:49.050 Karen Tarapata: That the truck ran over now, I think, maybe we should write an appeal letter and just say why we believe that this is a structure. 334 00:37:51.810 --> 00:37:54.360 Karen Tarapata: I mean, this is a structure in that offense right. 335 00:37:55.200 --> 00:38:01.470 Karen Tarapata: yeah the the the guy from the D O T seem to think it was a structure not offense. 336 00:38:03.150 --> 00:38:06.360 sylviajeff: meant to protect it's a God real structure. 337 00:38:06.780 --> 00:38:09.630 Karen Tarapata: yeah what I would think and they called it a fence. 338 00:38:10.140 --> 00:38:11.100 Karen Tarapata: So would. 339 00:38:11.160 --> 00:38:12.000 lauriedodge: Probably but. 340 00:38:12.060 --> 00:38:14.460 lauriedodge: it's old most likely. 341 00:38:15.510 --> 00:38:18.720 Karen Tarapata: yeah but, if not it's very it was very heavily built. 342 00:38:20.490 --> 00:38:24.870 Karen Tarapata: It was very heavily but it's not compliant it cannot be replaced in us it was. 343 00:38:26.820 --> 00:38:27.570 Karen Tarapata: No longer. 344 00:38:29.640 --> 00:38:30.420 acceptable. 345 00:38:31.500 --> 00:38:35.850 Karen Tarapata: But I think so all right i'll see if we can get an appeal letter mitten. 346 00:38:37.620 --> 00:38:45.660 Karen Tarapata: We can work through our insurance agent, even though I mean does he just to neither but maybe you can help us with the mining which. 347 00:38:51.420 --> 00:38:55.140 sylviajeff: I would lean towards right, I mean I guess there's an expensive. 348 00:38:55.140 --> 00:38:58.890 sylviajeff: Over that because there's an attorney involved, but. 349 00:38:59.970 --> 00:39:08.070 sylviajeff: I think it's a I wouldn't have expected them to come back and say done, you know you know the no problem, you know we're going to pay for it. 350 00:39:08.460 --> 00:39:19.170 sylviajeff: But I think if we go back to them and say you're wrong about this there's good reason to think that they would you know adjust the I think I think, because I think it's a valid point. 351 00:39:20.190 --> 00:39:29.670 Karen Tarapata: Good alright so i'll get something written and circulated see if we can make it better and then we'll send it back in we have nothing to lose and several thousand dollars to gain. 352 00:39:31.890 --> 00:39:32.550 Good. 353 00:39:37.470 --> 00:39:40.140 Karen Tarapata: All right, anything else you want to talk about. 354 00:39:43.230 --> 00:39:44.910 lauriedodge: I see random cars parked on. 355 00:39:44.910 --> 00:39:46.260 Kennon Rothchild: broadway and I thought I. 356 00:39:46.560 --> 00:39:47.820 Kennon Rothchild: bring up i'm. 357 00:39:49.050 --> 00:39:53.040 Kennon Rothchild: Just briefly that there seems to be a lot of chatter next door nyack about the. 358 00:39:56.700 --> 00:39:57.030 Karen Tarapata: up your. 359 00:40:01.350 --> 00:40:02.250 Karen Tarapata: First off. 360 00:40:03.240 --> 00:40:05.040 Kennon Rothchild: see my Internet connection so. 361 00:40:05.940 --> 00:40:06.330 yeah. 362 00:40:08.190 --> 00:40:09.630 sylviajeff: Is this about the parking. 363 00:40:14.430 --> 00:40:19.350 Karen Tarapata: But if it's rumors we have very careful not to engage. 364 00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:23.400 lauriedodge: I didn't hear what Ken said what did he say so. 365 00:40:23.580 --> 00:40:32.550 Kennon Rothchild: So there's chatter on next door nyack about the purchase of the property tax the high school for our kings stuff. 366 00:40:33.180 --> 00:40:35.700 Kennon Rothchild: um most of it's just some. 367 00:40:35.730 --> 00:40:41.100 Kennon Rothchild: You know CERT a few people actually relatively civilized few people are talking. 368 00:40:41.670 --> 00:40:59.070 Kennon Rothchild: about how they don't want the district to spend the amount of money they're apparently spending for parking and others are saying the parking is really needed there's only one comment about one saying well it's right next to the seminar er Ay Ay and you know. 369 00:41:00.330 --> 00:41:13.380 Kennon Rothchild: Who knows who might purchase that they can avail that up, but I just thought i'd bring it up to you know there's people talking about it, and nothing we I nothing I felt I needed to respond to, or anything like that so. 370 00:41:14.430 --> 00:41:15.450 Karen Tarapata: Okay, you know and. 371 00:41:16.920 --> 00:41:26.490 Karen Tarapata: yeah I mean it's it's a loss for us it's a loss of $3,000 a year in taxes, even for that poorly developed property. 372 00:41:27.450 --> 00:41:40.290 Karen Tarapata: And Mike was suggesting, perhaps we approached the school district, and ask them, maybe to help us pay for something over here near the school, you know we're talking about replacing the sidewalks maybe we can ask them for a little. 373 00:41:41.310 --> 00:41:44.190 Karen Tarapata: A little help with the sidewalks that benefit the school. 374 00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:48.240 Karen Tarapata: it's certainly once again certainly worth the conversation. 375 00:41:49.020 --> 00:41:51.540 michael esmay: Especially since we're losing that property. 376 00:41:55.020 --> 00:42:00.300 Karen Tarapata: yeah i'm Dr Martin sano is that we would talk to. 377 00:42:01.680 --> 00:42:02.460 michael esmay: You oh who's. 378 00:42:02.580 --> 00:42:03.300 lauriedodge: who's that I. 379 00:42:04.140 --> 00:42:06.090 michael esmay: forgotten the business Asians name. 380 00:42:07.020 --> 00:42:07.770 Karen Tarapata: I don't know. 381 00:42:09.720 --> 00:42:11.070 Kennon Rothchild: We remind me, though. 382 00:42:13.140 --> 00:42:24.900 Kennon Rothchild: If they purchase it, you know, does it become as of right whatever they want it to be, or do they have to get a zoning change for it in some kind of way because that might be our leverage. 383 00:42:25.860 --> 00:42:27.180 michael esmay: or selling doesn't apply. 384 00:42:27.900 --> 00:42:30.060 michael esmay: Their only approval is with the state. 385 00:42:34.260 --> 00:42:34.590 Karen Tarapata: You know. 386 00:42:35.190 --> 00:42:37.380 michael esmay: Where we have some power is in. 387 00:42:38.100 --> 00:42:38.760 secret. 388 00:42:40.290 --> 00:42:41.220 michael esmay: They have to. 389 00:42:43.470 --> 00:42:46.950 michael esmay: Do secret and we're stakeholders so. 390 00:42:48.690 --> 00:42:50.370 michael esmay: You know, we can at least. 391 00:42:51.420 --> 00:42:54.870 michael esmay: express our opinion about what they're they're proposing to do. 392 00:42:56.580 --> 00:42:56.790 michael esmay: You. 393 00:42:57.120 --> 00:43:03.360 michael esmay: Have any concerns we may have, but no, we don't have any rights there that's New York state. 394 00:43:05.550 --> 00:43:21.150 Karen Tarapata: And you know I just thought about it, we haven't gotten they haven't kicked back the taxes they were supposed to kick back to us for the preserve where we paid taxes after you know, and we should be getting money back from them, but that may be many, many years. 395 00:43:21.690 --> 00:43:23.610 michael esmay: that's part of the discussion isn't it. 396 00:43:24.330 --> 00:43:25.650 Karen Tarapata: I just thought of that yep. 397 00:43:30.390 --> 00:43:30.870 michael esmay: yeah. 398 00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:36.600 sylviajeff: i'm So this was the area that the high school wants to turn into a parking lot so we're talking about oh. 399 00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:48.090 sylviajeff: Yes, because I think there was some miscommunication and what because I was pointed out to me also, I have been following it can, but it was pointed out to me also and. 400 00:43:48.540 --> 00:44:00.270 sylviajeff: There were two things that I didn't really understand number one somebody says something some comment that seemed golf basically about Lucy $42,000 a year in taxes which sounded like crazy amount to me. 401 00:44:00.900 --> 00:44:05.790 Karen Tarapata: That we only get 30 3100 or 3300 something like that. 402 00:44:05.970 --> 00:44:08.700 Karen Tarapata: Okay that's all for now that might be all the. 403 00:44:08.700 --> 00:44:10.950 michael esmay: tests, which is 10% of. 404 00:44:10.950 --> 00:44:11.280 What. 405 00:44:12.300 --> 00:44:13.260 sylviajeff: got okay. 406 00:44:13.470 --> 00:44:14.280 michael esmay: is taken. 407 00:44:14.850 --> 00:44:15.330 sylviajeff: And then. 408 00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:20.760 sylviajeff: Just concerned being bandied around about the cost being not just purchase. 409 00:44:21.780 --> 00:44:22.350 sylviajeff: But. 410 00:44:23.940 --> 00:44:37.230 sylviajeff: In middle you know, a $2 million and like you know we figuring this stuff so I don't know if this is so fast, you can be talking about at this point or not, but that's That was what was being thrown out there and I just didn't know how realistic whole thing was. 411 00:44:37.350 --> 00:44:46.020 Karen Tarapata: yeah because they're talking about all the taxes they pay but you know, on that property, but our little pieces for a little, but yeah that's a legitimate concern. 412 00:44:46.380 --> 00:44:58.770 Karen Tarapata: I didn't quite understand why, in the letter that was sent to us there was saying that that would be improved at no cost to taxpayers, or I didn't understand. 413 00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:00.120 sylviajeff: I. 414 00:45:00.660 --> 00:45:03.750 Karen Tarapata: mean How is that possible, they have do they have a magic money at. 415 00:45:04.620 --> 00:45:09.240 sylviajeff: And that was that was the That was the postcard the went to everybody right yeah. 416 00:45:10.920 --> 00:45:16.140 Kennon Rothchild: I think what it means i'm not sure I saw the postcard yet, but the I think. 417 00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:29.550 Kennon Rothchild: They have they have the money, already set aside for that there's no additional fundraising required off of the budget, you know and and the point of the person who's objected to it was. 418 00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:42.810 Kennon Rothchild: Well that's great that we have you know, maybe close to a million dollars of funds available to us, but if we do, why are we spending on our parking lot when we could spend it on something perhaps better that was his point. 419 00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:48.180 lauriedodge: Which is why I like air conditioning at the school but yeah. 420 00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:57.120 Kennon Rothchild: yeah well there if they built the thing I mean there is a problem with parking up there, you know I mean there was even before the belt. 421 00:45:58.830 --> 00:46:00.690 Kennon Rothchild: So mm hmm. 422 00:46:01.410 --> 00:46:09.870 Karen Tarapata: And I think they don't like relying on Camp Romano for overflow yeah during yeah maybe that relationship isn't. 423 00:46:10.350 --> 00:46:15.780 lauriedodge: It makes sense, hopefully, they do some nice screening and some nice landscaping and it'll you know. 424 00:46:16.560 --> 00:46:17.280 michael esmay: it's taking. 425 00:46:18.720 --> 00:46:20.100 Karen Tarapata: A lot more unreadable this more. 426 00:46:21.300 --> 00:46:28.140 michael esmay: But this is a commercial strip that I think has value to the village, you can make that argument. 427 00:46:31.290 --> 00:46:32.790 michael esmay: Life of this village. 428 00:46:34.620 --> 00:46:42.330 sylviajeff: You can make the argument even stronger neither we've upgraded, you know, on the a garage you know, on the corner. 429 00:46:43.710 --> 00:46:44.220 sylviajeff: yep. 430 00:46:45.030 --> 00:46:57.150 Karen Tarapata: I know i'm hoping that well that's why we're doing the annexation is to try and you know, improve be able to improve those properties and improve our commercial district exactly I. 431 00:46:57.180 --> 00:46:57.720 lauriedodge: mean I. 432 00:46:57.930 --> 00:46:58.770 Karen Tarapata: Think it's a shame. 433 00:46:59.160 --> 00:47:02.730 lauriedodge: Speaking again I was I wasn't gonna bring it up, but since you just. 434 00:47:04.530 --> 00:47:15.180 lauriedodge: Since you just mentioned that corner, I went to buy a lottery ticket the other night at that little gas station which has many cars without license plates again. 435 00:47:17.370 --> 00:47:20.100 lauriedodge: it's just starting it's just really starting to look. 436 00:47:20.100 --> 00:47:21.690 lauriedodge: Like asked me. 437 00:47:21.780 --> 00:47:31.110 Karen Tarapata: You have to write a complaint to the building department that's how it starts that no nothing verbal it's got to be a saying I have observed this. 438 00:47:31.170 --> 00:47:34.350 lauriedodge: Okay, with that I didn't know that I had to do that. 439 00:47:35.010 --> 00:47:39.450 Karen Tarapata: I think that's, the only way that's how you get action that's what I that's what I do. 440 00:47:40.560 --> 00:47:44.250 Karen Tarapata: Is I send it by email or I write a letter and drop it off. 441 00:47:49.560 --> 00:47:52.950 Karen Tarapata: The way no it doesn't get lost this it stamped in. 442 00:47:56.820 --> 00:47:59.610 Karen Tarapata: yeah that I wish they would pull that together up there. 443 00:48:00.210 --> 00:48:14.940 lauriedodge: yeah it's hideous I mean literally I couldn't I don't really go there, but there wasn't even a parking spot and it wasn't it was at night, and there were there was one other person in the gas station, so it wasn't. 444 00:48:15.030 --> 00:48:19.860 lauriedodge: Because there was a line out of the door, and we were all hoping to get the 600 million. 445 00:48:20.100 --> 00:48:34.830 lauriedodge: or whatever it ended up being a you know it's just it's just junk well know, some of the cars have license plates, but there I sort of just started snooping around and I looked in the back and they're a bunch it's just yeah it's you know. 446 00:48:35.610 --> 00:48:45.300 lauriedodge: Especially with what the guys are doing across the street, making that look nicer and, obviously, our interest in beautifying. 447 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:47.340 lauriedodge: for lack of a better. 448 00:48:48.270 --> 00:48:49.410 Karen Tarapata: Just be tight here. 449 00:48:51.090 --> 00:48:54.900 Karen Tarapata: That think of the gas station there with the quarter of storm. 450 00:48:55.020 --> 00:49:01.260 lauriedodge: Oh that's what i'm saying that it looks like this is it's a birth, this one that's what it's starting to look like. 451 00:49:01.740 --> 00:49:10.530 lauriedodge: It used to be a guy Nick who I he own jock used to go to get our cars inspected there, and he had a business and. 452 00:49:10.950 --> 00:49:17.010 lauriedodge: I know he rented sort of like pile at whoever owns that property rents to Robert. 453 00:49:17.250 --> 00:49:25.050 lauriedodge: I think they you know he rented to rick doblin or for construction, but whatever so their construction trucks, but they were parked meet leave now whoever. 454 00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:35.820 lauriedodge: Has it it's just kind of it looks right like more like storms road which is going upstairs road I think it's eventually going to hit Christian era and such a massive. 455 00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:37.590 Karen Tarapata: Know raising. 456 00:49:37.620 --> 00:49:38.520 lauriedodge: real mess. 457 00:49:38.880 --> 00:49:39.420 Yes. 458 00:49:40.770 --> 00:49:41.160 lauriedodge: All right. 459 00:49:41.970 --> 00:49:48.420 Karen Tarapata: Under property maintenance just ask them to go take a look, because it is pretty messy. 460 00:49:48.960 --> 00:49:49.200 yeah. 461 00:49:50.220 --> 00:49:51.360 michael esmay: Maintenance law. 462 00:49:51.780 --> 00:49:56.670 Karen Tarapata: know what the state does yeah state does, we do not. 463 00:49:57.300 --> 00:49:57.600 michael esmay: mean. 464 00:49:58.200 --> 00:50:00.990 michael esmay: we've talked about it as a village. 465 00:50:01.710 --> 00:50:01.950 yeah. 466 00:50:04.680 --> 00:50:07.620 Karen Tarapata: yeah and every call me when you really want to get into that. 467 00:50:07.950 --> 00:50:09.450 Karen Tarapata: And we went you. 468 00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:11.490 lauriedodge: Know money. 469 00:50:11.520 --> 00:50:11.820 My. 470 00:50:13.080 --> 00:50:18.690 lauriedodge: Maybe my uncle and my mom talk about when they were younger living on birchwood like you. 471 00:50:18.720 --> 00:50:21.960 lauriedodge: couldn't if you had a loud muffler. 472 00:50:22.230 --> 00:50:36.810 lauriedodge: If you had the people weren't the police weren't really monitoring what your your look like, but they, I guess, there were sort of right maybe I don't know if they were called property maintenance laws, but if you, you could not have cars with. 473 00:50:37.110 --> 00:50:45.210 lauriedodge: out license plates you couldn't even on upper birchwood you could only have a certain number of cars if you're muffler was too loud. 474 00:50:45.690 --> 00:50:54.180 lauriedodge: The COPs were like there they just and they weren't NASA and they did not blacked out windows at that point, obviously, but they weren't there you know, just like the law. 475 00:50:54.750 --> 00:50:56.490 Karen Tarapata: can have a car, without a license plate. 476 00:50:57.930 --> 00:50:58.230 lauriedodge: yeah. 477 00:50:58.260 --> 00:50:58.770 lauriedodge: Can they. 478 00:50:59.490 --> 00:51:02.310 Karen Tarapata: have to have to be inside a building. 479 00:51:05.160 --> 00:51:07.710 michael esmay: that's back when we had our own police force. 480 00:51:07.920 --> 00:51:09.270 lauriedodge: yeah back in the day. 481 00:51:10.500 --> 00:51:11.220 michael esmay: Jacqueline. 482 00:51:12.570 --> 00:51:13.020 yep. 483 00:51:14.250 --> 00:51:17.040 Karen Tarapata: donated accent lori mentioned the no license plate. 484 00:51:17.100 --> 00:51:17.520 lauriedodge: I love. 485 00:51:18.030 --> 00:51:20.550 Karen Tarapata: That is that isn't allowed I. 486 00:51:20.670 --> 00:51:22.140 michael esmay: know we have a law against that. 487 00:51:24.510 --> 00:51:28.890 Karen Tarapata: i'm still trying to trying to administer that goes very slowly. 488 00:51:29.130 --> 00:51:29.940 lauriedodge: yeah right, I can. 489 00:51:31.050 --> 00:51:37.590 Karen Tarapata: marry, so you have to do all these searches and try and find the owner and even to have it towed away. 490 00:51:39.390 --> 00:51:42.390 Karen Tarapata: Okay yeah that's that makes sense anything else. 491 00:51:45.720 --> 00:51:54.990 michael esmay: Well, I did talk to the lesson like you know until I heard him read that email list of stuff from Noel. 492 00:51:55.290 --> 00:51:55.770 Karen Tarapata: Oh yeah. 493 00:51:56.580 --> 00:51:57.240 it's. 494 00:51:58.650 --> 00:52:03.630 michael esmay: You know, hopefully it's in his mind so he's he's ready to to take care of us. 495 00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:07.740 Karen Tarapata: This is for the zoning code update. 496 00:52:08.250 --> 00:52:18.510 Karen Tarapata: We have we've gotten, to the point in our discussions now where we really need an engineer to weigh in on some steep slopes, and some bulk tables and things you know the. 497 00:52:19.710 --> 00:52:27.630 Karen Tarapata: The philosophical and and word discussions are almost done, but there are things now that really are engineering discussions. 498 00:52:28.020 --> 00:52:29.220 michael esmay: And also secret. 499 00:52:29.910 --> 00:52:30.900 Karen Tarapata: And also secret. 500 00:52:31.470 --> 00:52:31.860 yep. 501 00:52:32.970 --> 00:52:34.200 Karen Tarapata: So I have a. 502 00:52:34.290 --> 00:52:34.890 Very. 503 00:52:41.550 --> 00:52:50.910 Karen Tarapata: I have a very extensive excel spreadsheet that no well put together of all the laws and all the things that we're working on all the moratorium. 504 00:52:51.360 --> 00:53:09.030 Karen Tarapata: You know the the extensions of the special permit moratoriums of the zoning code update the comprehensive plan the annexation all this is a million pieces so she put all of it in a an excel spreadsheet of what has to happen on what date so we don't miss any guys any points. 505 00:53:09.480 --> 00:53:16.950 Karen Tarapata: And I can get you hard copies, I really don't want to release it in digital form or email it because. 506 00:53:17.430 --> 00:53:22.890 Karen Tarapata: A lot of these things are everything's contingent on the thing before it, she said she had to assume like. 507 00:53:23.460 --> 00:53:42.090 Karen Tarapata: That we would pass a law on a certain day or we will accept of form on a certain date and those assumptions would might not be you know may not pan out so she's hesitant to have it floating around out there, but I can certainly have Carol get it to you if you want to see all the. 508 00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:42.840 lauriedodge: yeah. 509 00:53:42.930 --> 00:53:43.350 I love. 510 00:53:45.120 --> 00:54:01.470 Karen Tarapata: It cool pretty darn cool that I kept pushing her because she kept telling us well don't forget this, and this, and this, and this and i'm like you have to put it all in one sheet, so we can sort it by date over going to blow through deadlines. 511 00:54:02.790 --> 00:54:05.280 Karen Tarapata: So I feel much more I sleep better now. 512 00:54:06.300 --> 00:54:08.370 lauriedodge: it's hard to keep track of all this stuff. 513 00:54:09.870 --> 00:54:15.060 Karen Tarapata: referrals and legal notices, and all of it all of it. 514 00:54:17.970 --> 00:54:18.180 sylviajeff: yeah. 515 00:54:18.360 --> 00:54:25.650 michael esmay: i'm looking and looking at can there and the light that you have there almost gives a feeling that you're sitting in daylight. 516 00:54:26.460 --> 00:54:27.120 lauriedodge: I can't see. 517 00:54:27.180 --> 00:54:30.540 michael esmay: The light is coming in through a window or something. 518 00:54:31.950 --> 00:54:32.550 michael esmay: You know. 519 00:54:33.750 --> 00:54:42.660 Kennon Rothchild: i'm i'm sitting on the porch because the Internet inside this little bungalow is not very good and outdoors it's only a little bit better but it's better so. 520 00:54:44.250 --> 00:54:44.880 michael esmay: we're right. 521 00:54:45.720 --> 00:54:48.270 Kennon Rothchild: i'm on Anna Marie island in Florida. 522 00:54:52.290 --> 00:54:54.660 sylviajeff: wearing a sweater all right. 523 00:54:54.750 --> 00:54:56.430 sylviajeff: Oh yeah because my way up. 524 00:54:57.000 --> 00:54:57.600 Kennon Rothchild: yeah because. 525 00:54:57.690 --> 00:55:09.840 Kennon Rothchild: yeah because the temperature today what reached the height of about 64 yesterday, the high temperature was 53 and cloudy and raining it's lovely in Florida, this time here. 526 00:55:12.420 --> 00:55:20.220 Karen Tarapata: With movie theaters close you can't even go to the movies that's what we used to do is go see a couple of movies, if it was raining. 527 00:55:20.430 --> 00:55:22.740 Karen Tarapata: yeah are you catching up on your reading. 528 00:55:26.340 --> 00:55:29.970 Kennon Rothchild: yeah but there's reading i'm doing and there's another work. 529 00:55:31.980 --> 00:55:38.610 Kennon Rothchild: gotta show that i'm directing coming up so i've been working on that a bit and and I have a day job you know the usual so. 530 00:55:39.780 --> 00:55:41.280 Karen Tarapata: that's true you do have a chance. 531 00:55:41.370 --> 00:55:43.500 michael esmay: Did you say Anna Marie island. 532 00:55:44.610 --> 00:55:45.060 Kennon Rothchild: Yes. 533 00:55:47.490 --> 00:55:47.820 it's. 534 00:55:49.260 --> 00:55:55.470 Kennon Rothchild: The Northern most island on the west coast south of just south of Tampa Bay the opening to Tampa bay. 535 00:55:56.040 --> 00:55:56.490 michael esmay: got it. 536 00:55:59.160 --> 00:56:00.150 Nice yeah. 537 00:56:02.130 --> 00:56:02.370 Kennon Rothchild: yeah. 538 00:56:04.350 --> 00:56:06.150 michael esmay: Just cool I can get cold there. 539 00:56:06.750 --> 00:56:12.120 michael esmay: yeah I was in St Petersburg in February, a few years ago and it was. 540 00:56:13.200 --> 00:56:15.690 michael esmay: Almost freezing it was called. 541 00:56:17.370 --> 00:56:18.420 Kennon Rothchild: Right and no it. 542 00:56:19.170 --> 00:56:21.090 michael esmay: isn't disappointingly cold. 543 00:56:22.920 --> 00:56:23.790 lauriedodge: need to head to my. 544 00:56:24.180 --> 00:56:26.100 Kennon Rothchild: Because you're in Florida and you're expected to be warm. 545 00:56:26.430 --> 00:56:27.000 lauriedodge: yeah right. 546 00:56:27.150 --> 00:56:27.450 Right. 547 00:56:29.700 --> 00:56:30.900 Kennon Rothchild: or key West that. 548 00:56:31.110 --> 00:56:31.440 Karen Tarapata: We just. 549 00:56:32.310 --> 00:56:35.490 Karen Tarapata: yeah we're just putting player at our condo so. 550 00:56:35.610 --> 00:56:44.130 Karen Tarapata: yeah nice when it's really cold, we can turn on the natural gas fire pit and sit around outside and pretend we're not quite as cool. 551 00:56:44.430 --> 00:56:47.070 michael esmay: yeah yeah let's list the water's warm. 552 00:56:48.840 --> 00:56:50.190 Karen Tarapata: Well, in the heated pool. 553 00:56:51.210 --> 00:56:54.990 Karen Tarapata: But you're saying is cold usually January it's too cold to swim. 554 00:56:55.740 --> 00:56:59.310 Kennon Rothchild: Well, we we've been swimming but the temperature is 63 in the Gulf. 555 00:57:02.640 --> 00:57:04.890 Karen Tarapata: On long island oh that's like June. 556 00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:07.290 michael esmay: Yes. 557 00:57:10.680 --> 00:57:12.180 Kennon Rothchild: We didn't swim for very long. 558 00:57:16.680 --> 00:57:20.760 Karen Tarapata: Okay, all right anything else are we done for tonight. 559 00:57:22.080 --> 00:57:22.350 I don't. 560 00:57:23.670 --> 00:57:24.180 Kennon Rothchild: Think we're done. 561 00:57:24.570 --> 00:57:26.340 sylviajeff: So one week from tonight right. 562 00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:28.110 lauriedodge: yep the big night. 563 00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:29.100 michael esmay: good night. 564 00:57:29.790 --> 00:57:38.910 Karen Tarapata: yeah it's a lot but go we're going to open the I will be sending out the agenda tomorrow and Caroline to finish the Minutes and send those two. 565 00:57:39.840 --> 00:57:45.270 michael esmay: yeah I have a question has anybody had any problems with their village email. 566 00:57:46.440 --> 00:57:47.880 lauriedodge: No, I don't think so. 567 00:57:51.390 --> 00:57:53.520 Karen Tarapata: yeah you reached out to Louis right. 568 00:57:54.120 --> 00:57:55.080 michael esmay: Well Carol did. 569 00:57:56.100 --> 00:57:59.910 Karen Tarapata: he's gonna be he's gonna be in the office tomorrow afternoon. 570 00:58:00.540 --> 00:58:04.620 Karen Tarapata: Okay stuff so let's see if we can't get Ahold of him. 571 00:58:06.960 --> 00:58:08.550 michael esmay: yeah something weird happened. 572 00:58:11.580 --> 00:58:11.760 Karen Tarapata: i'm. 573 00:58:12.360 --> 00:58:14.280 michael esmay: Just not getting emails on it. 574 00:58:14.730 --> 00:58:15.150 michael esmay: at all. 575 00:58:15.810 --> 00:58:24.750 Karen Tarapata: that's why i'm I send it now to your regular email, and then I also send it to that other address so when it's restored everything will be there. 576 00:58:26.190 --> 00:58:30.810 michael esmay: Okay, but I think i've lost everything from. 577 00:58:32.460 --> 00:58:43.260 michael esmay: I don't know I said i've lost half of the emails I can't find them in the trash I can't find them anywhere they're just gone. 578 00:58:44.580 --> 00:58:45.420 michael esmay: it's weird. 579 00:58:46.590 --> 00:58:48.690 michael esmay: And i'm not receiving any emails now. 580 00:58:49.740 --> 00:58:54.930 Karen Tarapata: yeah, I think, but I have a feeling that they are there, somewhere, but they're just not getting to you. 581 00:58:56.160 --> 00:58:57.360 Karen Tarapata: That is very strange. 582 00:58:57.840 --> 00:58:58.740 michael esmay: It is strange. 583 00:58:59.640 --> 00:59:01.890 Karen Tarapata: I hopefully we can figure that out tomorrow. 584 00:59:02.220 --> 00:59:07.020 michael esmay: he'll probably come push something in boat there, it is also. 585 00:59:10.290 --> 00:59:14.400 Karen Tarapata: Alright, everybody i'll talk to you, so you have a great night. 586 00:59:15.750 --> 00:59:16.470 Kennon Rothchild: good night everybody. 587 00:59:16.710 --> 00:59:18.030 Kennon Rothchild: nice to see you all. 588 00:59:18.660 --> 00:59:19.200 sylviajeff: in Florida. 589 00:59:19.290 --> 00:59:20.220 You too.