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Karen Tarapata: Here I am.

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Karen Tarapata: start again.

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Laurie Dodge: Can.

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Noelle Wolfson: Can you put this link on the website so that if anybody is trying to.

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Noelle Wolfson: Okay.

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Karen Tarapata: bye immediately as anybody was trying to find it, I wanted to be sure, it was correct my life.

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Karen Tarapata: sure I will.

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Karen Tarapata: Yes.

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Karen Tarapata: I will, I will recap.

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it's called you, like me.

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I just sent it here we go.

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Karen Tarapata: we'll be back all together and just.

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sylviajeff: it's all good.

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Karen Tarapata: yeah and thank you, thank you for being here on this beautiful evening I know it's not easy to be inside.

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sylviajeff: Actually i'm on the beach I just had this backdrop.

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Karen Tarapata: great idea, take a picture from your desk and.

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do it that way.

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sylviajeff: Oh, my God, there was some type of city councilman some type of.

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sylviajeff: government official on a zoom call and he created background as office, but he was driving and they could tell it was driving cars, like he was like he's like.

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sylviajeff: He has a seat up his seatbelt.

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Karen Tarapata: i'm not a catch that terrible job.

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Karen Tarapata: Oh, my goodness.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay come on Mike.

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Karen Tarapata: Oh, so I have a question for you well, do you think we'll have the the neck deck of the.

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Karen Tarapata: va for the comprehensive plan for our meeting next week.

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Noelle Wolfson: So I think I will have a draft neg deck to review by Thursday I just don't know that I will have it before Thursday, so I don't know if you want to review it then or, if you want to take it up at the June workshop meeting i'm.

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Noelle Wolfson: Writing undertaking to draft it, so I do want to give you some time to review it, but I do not think i'll have a draft of it before next Thursday, but I do think I will have it for next Thursday.

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Karen Tarapata: All right, we'll see how it how the evening goes, because we have other things on our agenda i'm just very anxious, of course, to move this ahead.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sure, yes, I understand, yes, I know and.

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Noelle Wolfson: And I think you know I will certainly have it circulated by Thursday I just don't I want to make sure you have time to review it and I don't know that i'll be able to give you enough time to to take it up on Thursday night.

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Karen Tarapata: Not a problem, not a problem there's always June or very, very close.

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Karen Tarapata: And oh The other thing I wanted to share with everybody is we did get a proposal I don't know if I brought this up before for the local waterfront revitalization plan.

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Karen Tarapata: We talked about something we wanted to do after we adopt the comprehensive plan, we want to pursue having you know the some rights over our waterfront and.

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Karen Tarapata: The River along our village, and we did get a proposal from a very well regarded firm which I will, I will just wanted to wait till we had the comprehensive plan.

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Karen Tarapata: sort of done before we started another whole project and process.

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sylviajeff: So that's what that plan is, I mean what's what are they covering what are they going to do.

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sylviajeff: Okay read like the restaurant, we had a what a fun.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay really what you what you do is you're assessing that uses along your route what your waterfront which, in our case, could also be residential building commercial all the things and also have the.

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Karen Tarapata: uses of the park potential uses in future of the park, because a.

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Karen Tarapata: Local waterfront revitalization plan once it is adopted by the state, which is part of the process, when you see the whole what's so great about this proposal that lays out the whole.

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Karen Tarapata: The whole program the whole reasoning, for it, what the potential benefits that there are for us, but that is something that I have to look at as soon as we have a moment of brain space to look at something in the future, and it would allow us to regulate the barges that are.

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Karen Tarapata: anchored along our waterfront and it would be you know, but it would also even I mean the fact that it would give us some control over future uses of diet beach state park is a really important part of it to.

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sylviajeff: US yeah.

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Karen Tarapata: So something.

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Karen Tarapata: underway, it might take three years to get it done, they said, but it takes three years them if we want to get started on it.

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Karen Tarapata: Hello Mike are you on.

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michael esmay: i'm on right.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, good evening in this workshop meeting of the upper night village Board of Trustees for may 13 2021, this is a workshop meeting, which means that there is no set agenda and no actions of the word, are taken.

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Karen Tarapata: So I invited Noel to be with us tonight, so that we could ask questions about the amendments the ARV and and then also some any questions we have about the.

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Karen Tarapata: proposed the changes for the noise local law, so no no just want to go over briefly what we have changed in the architectural review board document again like that compare version out in front of me here.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sure, so just in terms of you know, a broad brush and the two main topics that we were talking about where the regulation of pink color and citing color.

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Noelle Wolfson: As such, so a regulation and review by the air before those even when they're not in connection with a broader project.

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Noelle Wolfson: The other topic that was regulated, that is regulated by local last six of 2020 is fencing application so each application for a permit is now being referred to the air base.

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Noelle Wolfson: And that's proved to be very voluminous and maybe a reconsideration of whether architectural review is necessary for every fence, particularly those that are alongside lot lines integrated into landscaping not visible from.

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Noelle Wolfson: Public streets etc so um so, the main purpose of the changes was to address those two items and to really make sure that.

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Noelle Wolfson: When applications are being referred to the IRB their applications that are otherwise within an existing permitting process so.

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Noelle Wolfson: The major changes are to section 3.3 you'll see in 3.3111 we have changed the applicant, you know, the first thing that gets referred to the to the air B is an application for a building permit to construct modify or alter the exterior of a building or structure, whether.

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Noelle Wolfson: People are accessory including a solar panel with mounted solar panels, which is something that the IRB reviews fairly efficiently.

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Noelle Wolfson: And then, just to specify that as a part of that review and considerations of things such as materials and color architectural finishes can be considered.

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Noelle Wolfson: Because we wouldn't want to exclude review of pink color and then have it excluded from all types of application, because that's actually.

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Noelle Wolfson: Something that's important for the IRB when they're reviewing bigger prize for projects is color and material and bulk and everything so just to specify that that is still a part of that review.

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Noelle Wolfson: And then we remove the replacement are changing of building color or citing.

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Noelle Wolfson: We removed alteration the exterior building constructed before January 1 1970.

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Noelle Wolfson: Because we really just want to capture those that would require a building permit anyway, we want to keep everything within existing permitting processes.

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Noelle Wolfson: So, to the extent that even those types of buildings, require a permit they're already covered and.

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Noelle Wolfson: We just did some clarifications, with regard to the signs review by by the IRB and specify the type of permit that would be needed for us an exterior building sign um and then we clarified so when we last met to talk about this, we had thought that perhaps a good.

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Noelle Wolfson: place to land on the fence regulations would be any fence that required a variance from the zoning Board of appeals should get reviewed by the IRB and all others would not so so that's been been incorporated into the law.

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Noelle Wolfson: And then, some of the other changes throughout our um our to account for these modifications.

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Noelle Wolfson: So changes to submission requirements and review criteria.

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Noelle Wolfson: One other change that I may kind of in the spirit of the things that we were talking about is um I changed the the section relating to when the planning board.

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Noelle Wolfson: would refer applications to the architectural review board from it formerly read unless otherwise required by law, the planning board shelf, but not finally approved any application for site plan approval.

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Noelle Wolfson: without referring it to the IRB, but there are some times when the building modification, that is the subject of a site plan our small.

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Noelle Wolfson: You know, a rear your deck is subjective site plan approval, and you know, maybe not necessarily something every time needs to go to the air be so how i've changed is in the must category.

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Noelle Wolfson: Any application first site plan or subdivision approval, which proposes the construction alteration or modification of a building we distinguish between buildings and structures.

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Noelle Wolfson: So, of a building would have to be referred would must have to be referred to the IRB and then I added us another provision at the end of this section saying any other application may.

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Noelle Wolfson: So, to be extent that the planning board review an application that requires the construction or modification of a building those would certainly go be referred to the air being reviewed, as they are now.

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Noelle Wolfson: If it just involves a structure such as a deck or you know other site modifications or a pool, which is a significant thing that the planning board reviews it doesn't involve buildings.

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Noelle Wolfson: Those wouldn't as a matter of course require the referral to the IRB but the planning board if they thought it was appropriate would be permitted to make that referral during its review process.

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Noelle Wolfson: And some other changes in section 3.4 we had a long list of of submission requirements in the law.

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Noelle Wolfson: And as a practical matter in working with the IRB over the last couple of months we've adopted these checklists the IRB has adopted checklist of all the submission materials.

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Noelle Wolfson: And that seems to work well and it would be nice to give them a little bit more flexibility if they feel like something is or isn't needed pertinent to their review so.

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Noelle Wolfson: i've removed I suggested removing the list of detailed submission materials and just to say whatever materials are required by the code enforcement official in the board.

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Noelle Wolfson: um.

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Karen Tarapata: So that also allows them to adjust that checklist.

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Karen Tarapata: As as things.

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Karen Tarapata: progress.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sure, so if they're getting something on every application, but they never really review it they don't find it pertinent to their view they can eliminate it or if they feel like something is important that they're missing on a consistent basis they can add it.

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Noelle Wolfson: and say.

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Noelle Wolfson: And then the exempt activities in Article five have changed to correspond with the changes of the regulated activities so.

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Noelle Wolfson: We have in the in painting painting standing standing or changing a sighting or exterior material in is exempt from review unless it's proposed as a part of a larger requirement requiring a building permit or a site plan or subdivision application.

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Noelle Wolfson: We took out.

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Noelle Wolfson: modification to the rear walls of residential buildings modification to the side or we're residential buildings also just referencing back to 3.3 point 1.1 point one.

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Noelle Wolfson: and installation of the signs, you know, just to clarify that signs, you know that you might put up on a single family residence temporary signs or whatever signs are not subject, these are really the review is designed for permanent commercial signs.

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Noelle Wolfson: And, and to clarify that fences unless they are subject to review pursuant to 3.3 point 1.1 point four that's.

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Noelle Wolfson: fences that were prior a variance and sheds that comply with section 6.8 of the zoning law are exempt from review.

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Noelle Wolfson: i've also clarified that the construction or alteration of a chicken coop or the associated fencing is not included because that's kind of a special type of application, under our laws.

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Noelle Wolfson: it's a special permit but it's not a zoning permit, it is a permit issued under the general ordinances so it kind of falls outside of the site planning review process so just wanted to clarify that those permits wouldn't go to the air be either those.

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Noelle Wolfson: permits are granted by the zoning Board of appeals and they review every aspect of it.

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Noelle Wolfson: um.

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Noelle Wolfson: let's see what are some other changes and in section 3.6 point one I have just tweaked some of the language to make it clear, more clear about how the ARV is to apply.

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Noelle Wolfson: The criteria for determining significance, you know we've we've discussed this at length with the architectural review board.

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Noelle Wolfson: And I thought, these revisions might make the application, the standard a bit more clear that didn't change them substantively but just to clarify how they should be applied.

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Noelle Wolfson: And, and then just a you know, an additional enforcement section, rather than enforcement through the zoning law and that's that's a basic summary of the changes.

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Karen Tarapata: Know you'll be.

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Karen Tarapata: In another venue we've been talking about deer fencing right.

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Karen Tarapata: My dear fencing didn't like an eight foot dear fence, so I have fence over six feet, because dear fences are typically taller than six feet, they do require a variance.

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Noelle Wolfson: They do.

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Karen Tarapata: yeah so that that so that would be that would give the zoning board the right to.

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Karen Tarapata: have a lot of a rp because it's.

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Karen Tarapata: Over six feet.

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Noelle Wolfson: Right, so, as this is currently drafted each of those would go to the air be both the zoning Board and the ARV so anybody you put up to your fencing and excess of age of six feet.

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Noelle Wolfson: Would would find themselves with applications before the zoning board for the variants and then should that be granted to the architectural review board for review of the fence.

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Karen Tarapata: Now, when we actually update our zoning code and we have we've been giving fencing a lot of really long hard look.

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Karen Tarapata: Some of that may change because there may be very specific provisions in that new update it's only got about dear fencing, what is your fencing what does it mean I mean a.

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Karen Tarapata: Eight foot solid wall is your fencing of a kind, but it doesn't qualify, and we know what we consider dear fencing is the netting of a certain size.

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Karen Tarapata: And I think some of the provisions may end up being in the new zoning code and where we would revisit this perhaps or maybe it would be, it would might work perfectly well with this, but i'm saying that what changes in fencing in the future will.

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Karen Tarapata: impact, whether or not the aarp looks at every deer fencing installation.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, so just a matter of administration, we would be putting a we would be setting up a public hearing for June to make these amendments correct.

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Noelle Wolfson: So yeah so if we wanted to take this up at the June meeting, we would need to refer this to rockland county planning, we would need to send this out for a referral to Robin county planning really tomorrow.

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Noelle Wolfson: And we would want to circulate it to village departments, if you want the building department to look at it, or the a or B or any of the other boards.

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Noelle Wolfson: know we might think about who we want to review and advanced with the public hearing, so we can.

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Noelle Wolfson: gather comments and then hold the public hearing and June, and you can decide in June.

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Noelle Wolfson: If you think this isn't a form that can be adopted or, if you think further amendments are required, or, if you think further consideration as needed but just to open the public discussion process in June.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, so that's I think that's what we'll do is do the referrals and then we can really decide, I can put it on the agenda, but we can decide at the at the meeting next week, if we want to set a public hearing for June or not.

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Karen Tarapata: sure we set a public hearing for June and we decided to delay it or open it and continue it, we have a lot of flexibility with that, but I think the sooner we get this clarify the more confident people are going to be about our our processes sure.

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Noelle Wolfson: Right and so just in terms of procedure, we just have to We just have to make sure we give rockland county planning the 30 days that it gets into the general media spoke on take a look at it that's kind of our our circulation.

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Noelle Wolfson: deadline for tomorrow i'm.

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Karen Tarapata: i'm concerned, I can go in and have ask heather to do that first thing tomorrow.

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michael esmay: And we'll.

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Karen Tarapata: we'll get that referral going this.

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Karen Tarapata: route then also again to just a rough and planning or two nyack barks town and the palisades.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sure, we would we would also circulated tonight clarkson and the palisades that they don't need that 30 days, so we could do that as a part of the public notice.

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Noelle Wolfson: process, they need days so rockland county is the one that i'd want to do first because it gets 30 days, and then the other agencies, we can we can take care of next week.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, are you sending them out, I might as well, have her send it all.

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Karen Tarapata: cheryl list and just send it all out at once.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sure, and.

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sylviajeff: What days do June meeting.

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Karen Tarapata: let's check.

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Noelle Wolfson: I think it's the 17th.

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sylviajeff: One is yeah so we have four days four or five days to get it out in front of them.

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Karen Tarapata: Sure right.

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Karen Tarapata: Now rather not have it on Monday.

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Noelle Wolfson: And you can open the hearing, even if we don't even if we're shy of 30 days on June 17 you can open to hearing you just can't.

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Noelle Wolfson: back.

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Noelle Wolfson: Until you hear back from.

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Noelle Wolfson: Planning and you know, to the extent that you want to collect other comments and consider all the comments you know before acting that that might actually be a good set of facts.

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Karen Tarapata: But so we'll move ahead, what happens.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sure, I mean were there any questions or comments or or did you want me to make any modifications to what was presented.

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sylviajeff: I have a few thoughts I don't know how i'll ask you if they're valid, first of all I know, so we removed the survey or description, I guess, we don't need that at all.

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Noelle Wolfson: So yeah So when I went back to look through the law surveyors not a term we use throughout it, so I deleted it.

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sylviajeff: All right, i'm in section 33111.

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sylviajeff: This is just stuff but uh let me get to a 3311 there is a place where we use the word that I thought we should just remove it, I thought it was just.

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sylviajeff: It didn't belong.

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sylviajeff: In 3.3 point 1.13 point 3.111 yeah.

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Noelle Wolfson: Okay, every.

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sylviajeff: proposed the arrangement, instead of proposed arrangement we find that.

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Noelle Wolfson: Oh yeah I see I see it, the are interviewing such application, the airbnb review, among other things, the proposed arrangement yeah.

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sylviajeff: Section 3.4 i'm not sure, after listening to you describe this It may be that.

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sylviajeff: Three point I had thought we should change the word provided to requested.

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sylviajeff: But now that i'm thinking about it may be the accoona forsman.

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sylviajeff: Official actually does provide the copies, this is at the very top of page 10 on the red line copy.

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sylviajeff: 3.4 actually 3.4 point one.

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sylviajeff: The end of 3.4 point, one which says a.

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Karen Tarapata: nation to the ARV shall be made in writing on forums and in a number of copies provided by the code enforcement.

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sylviajeff: Officials so I don't know if is provided by the quarter for from official or requested by the quarter force beneficial.

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sylviajeff: Does he provide the forums.

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Noelle Wolfson: He would provide the forums, yes.

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sylviajeff: perfect and leave it the way it is OK.

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sylviajeff: that's it.

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Karen Tarapata: Any questions Gloria or Mike.

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Laurie Dodge: it's not for me.

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Karen Tarapata: The other thing that I wanted to talk about tonight, was the noise law.

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Karen Tarapata: I had a couple of questions about that, and the first one came when I started thinking about tree removal in terms of the length of time that you could make a very low noise.

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Karen Tarapata: And I was gonna like when they're let's say they have to chip and the entire tree and I don't think that takes an hour, but I just wanted to bring it up, is something that.

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Karen Tarapata: might be a problem, and that we might perhaps want to exempt.

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Karen Tarapata: A permitted tree removal, I just wanted to bring that up to the group because.

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sylviajeff: For me, to be continuous noise, for more than the hour so soon.

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Karen Tarapata: that's what i'm thinking, if you had to do that I just wondered if that was anything we need to.

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sylviajeff: be open to doing that because if it's one of these huge trees, it takes longer than that and to just you know.

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sylviajeff: Just try to knock it out, I mean I can't imagine taking that trip in the tree takes three hours, so if they need to go more than an hour to an hour and a half to do it because it's a big tree, I guess, it makes sense to make that a an option.

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Karen Tarapata: So I was just wondering know what do you think of that as as a possible issue.

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Karen Tarapata: Is that is that something, am I worried about something that isn't something to worry about or.

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Noelle Wolfson: Well, I know, but i'm not i'm not really sure about you know the physical mechanics of tree removal and and the chipping.

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Noelle Wolfson: I mean we certainly could address in the language and exception for.

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Noelle Wolfson: For heavy machinery pursuant to a you know duly issuing tree removal permanent.

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Karen Tarapata: that's because once again it is a Julie issue thing we've already looked at it, we know that what it is the village is sort of in charge of that and that's why I was curious.

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sylviajeff: The only thing the only view.

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sylviajeff: We would have to specify that this is in regard to a tree like a single trade because i'm sure there are people who want to have like multiple trees taking down and that could go well longer than an hour and in those cases, we wanted to you know what them to adhere to some quiet time.

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Karen Tarapata: i'm wondering, because it is it's a real it's a one off.

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Karen Tarapata: You know this is a one off situation where, if you have three guys come in and you're having stuff taken down and chipped.

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Karen Tarapata: they're not going to be doing it every day on your site is typically a one off one day thing I just I didn't know if that was.

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Laurie Dodge: You know it's so.

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Laurie Dodge: Interesting I know this has to do just with the use of heavy machinery, but on and I, and I appreciate that on leaf cleanup days spring and fall cleanup days.

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Laurie Dodge: machines are working literally I mean at least around my house for five and six hours and that's so that's not addressed in this.

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Laurie Dodge: Language at all right, this is just heavy machinery not leaf blowers that can be going for six hours at a time on a person's property five of them at a time wandering around chasing leaves.

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Laurie Dodge: I mean, I feel like I know the.

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Karen Tarapata: cleanup that's how we sort of talked about threading that needle of.

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Karen Tarapata: yeah need to clean up their their properties, we limit the hours when that could happen and we limit the month when they would have.

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Laurie Dodge: yeah yeah no I get it, I mean I I I know what we said earlier it's just.

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Laurie Dodge: I mean this is is this.

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Laurie Dodge: What are we worried about here I mean is this often a situation that occurs, other than at the boatyard which I understand is hugely problematic.

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Karen Tarapata: Well, I think that's it's a case of let's say somebody is having someone cut tile in there, you know if they're doing up a construction that's what i'm asking is just.

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Karen Tarapata: Things that I haven't thought about you really are trying to.

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Karen Tarapata: address the problems of a constant.

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Karen Tarapata: You know our business knowledge that that.

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Laurie Dodge: Even multiple trees, or whatever, whatever somebody's having done and it's it's.

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Laurie Dodge: It might be.

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Laurie Dodge: hours of the day, but it's not continuous so it's like a project like.

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Laurie Dodge: they're coming in, they have major work to do on a day, whether they're digging a trench or what I don't I don't know, whatever that whatever the range of activity, they can be doing.

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Laurie Dodge: To me, I guess, as I think about this more the while you're going to work for an hour and then take half an hour off work for an hour taking I think that's very depending on.

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Laurie Dodge: The type of project, it is that could be hugely problematic if you have someone digging a trench because your sewer line exploded.

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Laurie Dodge: It to me to seems a little unrealistic but it's entirely different than what I what I understand goes on down at the boatyard where it's a.

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Laurie Dodge: that's a business that's creating excessive noise all the time versus a resident who has an issue, who needs to get something fixed and you don't want to create a situation where.

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Laurie Dodge: You have to pay somebody double time because it's past five because we have this situation where we're like well our on half off our on half off to me that seems.

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Laurie Dodge: Fair so I don't yeah I don't know how you thread, I am not sure how you thread that needle, but I just for the.

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Karen Tarapata: Unless it is in commercial and less.

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Karen Tarapata: work involved in the use of heavy machinery is something where it's in a commercial district, because what we're really.

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Karen Tarapata: The problem really.

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Karen Tarapata: Nothing is with a business.

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Laurie Dodge: Right.

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Karen Tarapata: Business it is to make a continuous.

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Laurie Dodge: Know right yeah it's not like you know if you're my neighbor and you have a crisis, and they have to dig up your front yard I just I wouldn't want in a situation like that I that this to me seems like a penalty.

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Laurie Dodge: That for a problem with someone can't necessarily or even you know trees or data or I know we have a provision someplace else if there's clean up.

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Laurie Dodge: or something like that, but yeah that's.

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Karen Tarapata: Right and we have like including but not limited to rock breaking pile driving riveting jackhammering power sandblasted or glass blasting chain sign this is where we get into the chain saw tiles saw and other engine powered sauce that emit continuous sounds.

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Karen Tarapata: that's for i'm just trying to figure out how can we make this so that.

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Karen Tarapata: it's not it doesn't get.

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Karen Tarapata: It doesn't prevent normal.

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Karen Tarapata: Work like having a tree taken down and chipped in a day.

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Laurie Dodge: Well, maybe it doesn't because I mean the words that you're just rereading again, I mean those sorts of things well chain saw My guess.

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Karen Tarapata: tile sign engine power does those are the only words i'm not i'm not i'm just just wondering.

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Karen Tarapata: But obviously there would never be chained sign for a.

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Karen Tarapata: It wouldn't be changed sighing non stop for an hour it wouldn't happen, no, but the chipping might.

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Karen Tarapata: very noisy would be the use of a wood chipper.

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Laurie Dodge: I mean, are we okay with something like a period of you know.

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Laurie Dodge: They they have to cease for 30 minutes after two hours or is that not getting it what we're trying to you know we not addressing what we're really trying to address.

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sylviajeff: original three hours because the longer periods, but just untenable to really measure an hour seems like a reasonable amount that we could like you know come to grips with and enforce it to our spouse to slip into the area that is not easy to do that anymore.

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Laurie Dodge: Well, I think, to me, this seems like an enforcement issue anyway, but I think a lot of this is yeah I mean it's it's citizen a alert because.

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Laurie Dodge: I mean we don't have enough for enforcement officer roaming around, even when we do have one he's not it's not his only job he's not going to be roaming around you know looking for problems so it's really the residents around who have to.

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Karen Tarapata: Put in a sense, it is because, if our code enforcement officer, is one of our dp devotees guys and they're.

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Karen Tarapata: going around the village picking up brush, which is a big part of their job they aren't just.

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Laurie Dodge: wow that's true they are driving around.

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Karen Tarapata: right here, not they're not sitting somewhere, I mean.

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Karen Tarapata: Like right day run school street all day patching the road but typically on a day they are driving up and down every street.

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Karen Tarapata: And that's that was sort of the beauty of having somebody associated with the with the BP web our code enforcement officer was that they would be able to see and respond to things at least from 730 you know from seven to 330 every day.

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Noelle Wolfson: Would you want to think about if not a longer work period, a shorter respite period, because then at least you don't have you know, maybe an.

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Noelle Wolfson: hour on 15 minutes off instead of a half an hour off because then perhaps it could be, you know, a reasonable break even for somebody doing treat cheap treat shipping or or tree removal.

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Noelle Wolfson: isn't isn't as long just an idea.

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Karen Tarapata: They could be doing a different task I mean that's always The thing is, you don't you're not just standing there staring at the equipment there's always something else to be done.

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Karen Tarapata: So that is a possibility, what do, what do you guys think about the possibility of an hour on 15 minutes off the only beauty of an hour and a half hour off, is it works very well in a seven and a half hour work day.

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Karen Tarapata: Because it works into five periods.

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sylviajeff: Well i'm okay with making it 15 minutes because you know we may not have dealt with three hours one hour and kept a half hour.

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sylviajeff: Has the same mass I don't mind make that less while so but i'm coming from this workplace, but I really don't know what goes into a lot of this.

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sylviajeff: You know I have not had that much work done around it, so I don't know if that meshes well with the reality of the situation so i'm open to anybody else's.

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Karen Tarapata: And the only other thing is, I would I might take off chain side because we don't really have anybody.

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Karen Tarapata: chain chain sign to me goes starts going to I don't think, chain saws a hippie of heavy equipment until neither would say.

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Karen Tarapata: i'm not sure, but that's That would be my thought is to remove the.

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Karen Tarapata: Change the line from the list of activities.

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Laurie Dodge: Well, because also to your point, I mean a lot of residents have chainsaws.

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Laurie Dodge: Whereas I think they probably don't have some of these other things, not that we're talking about residents, but to your point about, is it really heavy machinery if residents have these things in their shed maybe maybe not I mean we don't have one.

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Karen Tarapata: Or do me say on commercial property is that.

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Karen Tarapata: But is that then discriminatory.

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Noelle Wolfson: You certainly have the authority to limit it to commercial.

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Noelle Wolfson: districts, so the list when I was preparing the list I sort of took from the EPA at a list of decibel levels of various items and the chainsaw was right in there with many of those other items, which is how it made the list.

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Karen Tarapata: So perhaps that its commercial properties and it's 1515 minute break Maybe those two changes.

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Noelle Wolfson: sure our properties located in a commercial district you.

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Karen Tarapata: we've already, we have already a.

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Karen Tarapata: distributed this and made it.

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Karen Tarapata: You know, made it public.

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Karen Tarapata: How does that affect our.

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Noelle Wolfson: So um So if you wanted to make these changes, you would I would advise against adopting this on Thursday night because this is a local law, pursuant to the municipal Home Rule law.

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Noelle Wolfson: The municipal Homer law has a provision that requires a lot of being final form on the desk of the board members within a certain period it's seven days before the meeting.

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Noelle Wolfson: exclusive of sunday's so if we were to make these changes, even though there are small changes they're actually quite substantive to this provision, and this might be one of the more pertinent provisions of the law.

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Noelle Wolfson: So, to be on the conservative side, I would prefer to have this revised and re circulated within so that you have it on the deaths of the Members for that set period of time before it was formally adopted.

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Noelle Wolfson: But when you could do is.

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Noelle Wolfson: Have the hearing on Thursday received public comment discuss it and if there are any changes direct, specific changes, such that you would feel comfortable closing the hearing to.

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Noelle Wolfson: On Thursday, so therefore, you will have received all your public comment I can make this specific changes and then recirculate it within the time frame for the next meeting.

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sylviajeff: I tell you what we're going to do that.

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sylviajeff: i'm going to suggest another word and change.

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sylviajeff: don't think it changes the.

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sylviajeff: The intent of meaning behind this I think it's clarifies it under leaf blowers, where we made the minor revision of changing the date and changing the time.

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sylviajeff: I guess section C Roman numeral one, so I think we should say watch.

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sylviajeff: Instead of and.

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sylviajeff: and put a comma after that separated and then say and September 15 through December 15 Okay, because right now is march 15 and may 15 and September 15 and December 15 sounds like just runs on okay.

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sylviajeff: And I know that's not the intent of it, but we might as well, clarify.

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Laurie Dodge: that's a good change okay.

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Laurie Dodge: My question.

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Laurie Dodge: Is in so it's the hours in also leaf blowers outdoor power tools and machinery from a little I or little yeah I too little, too, I little one to two i'm not good with Roman numerals I guess oh to write wanted to direct.

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Laurie Dodge: The so in the outdoor power tools in machinery we have.

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Laurie Dodge: let's see it's four or five lines down on the second page so it's the hours build, provided that such equipment may only be used from ATM until 7pm on Monday through Friday.

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Laurie Dodge: 9am until 6pm on Saturdays and 12 noon until 5pm on Sundays it's different than the leaf blower ours was did did we do that intentionally I couldn't remember I looked back at my notes from last week and I didn't.

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Laurie Dodge: I didn't I didn't have any notes.

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Karen Tarapata: Because we thought that mowing and weed whacking was not as dreadful as leaf blowers.

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Karen Tarapata: bit more time to.

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Karen Tarapata: Saturday it's really only Saturday isn't it.

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sylviajeff: Time that's different.

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Laurie Dodge: I don't know I mean if we're all okay with it we're Okay, with it, I just couldn't remember that we had discussed it being different.

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Laurie Dodge: And so I just figured i'd ask.

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michael esmay: Anything something so why.

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Karen Tarapata: I think we intend well let's let's think about this 10 to five on Saturday or nine to six on Saturday.

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michael esmay: built our House on weekends.

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Karen Tarapata: I think people.

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michael esmay: This is.

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michael esmay: For his control.

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Karen Tarapata: Just I don't know five on Saturday, but.

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Noelle Wolfson: kind of requiring work during the hottest part of the day, because lawn mowers will be through the summer on like the spring cleanup I don't know if you want to consider an earlier earlier time on a weekend amy made a change your opinion, but I just want to remind you that comment.

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Karen Tarapata: Maybe nine to five instead of 10 to five because the lawn mowers are not that.

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Karen Tarapata: Bad I.

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Really.

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Karen Tarapata: don't know what do you what do we think we can just bring it up for comment at our next meeting, but maybe nine to five on Saturday.

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sylviajeff: Well, nine to five is a perfect middle ground.

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Laurie Dodge: yeah that works for me.

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Laurie Dodge: Okay, and then leaf blowers, we have 10 to five.

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sylviajeff: Know we're gonna make that 95 also.

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Laurie Dodge: Now we're gonna make them.

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Karen Tarapata: make them all nine to five so it's all day.

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sylviajeff: and make them more coordinate okay.

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that's that's pretty good.

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Karen Tarapata: it's the 730 on Saturday that makes you want to cry sometimes.

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Laurie Dodge: yeah yeah that's like annoying.

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Karen Tarapata: The other question I had no well this was one of my big question.

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Karen Tarapata: you're on the interest you know we've we've determined that the.

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Karen Tarapata: The violation goes to the property owner, not to the operator, so how is that done by the code enforcement officer, we have other things that are violations that go to a property owner so it's a pretty straightforward administrative process.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sure, and they would just be served with the violation the property owner this such and such work occurred on your property would be you know, like any building code violation essentially.

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Karen Tarapata: Good that's what I thought.

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Karen Tarapata: That to me makes that makes good sense it's got to be something it's got to be pretty simple.

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Karen Tarapata: And the other thing I wanted to bring up to the group is I was wondering, because this is something so new if we wanted to, and we don't have our code enforcement officer in place yet.

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Karen Tarapata: Would we want to pass this and then wave or postpone.

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Karen Tarapata: Enforcement until fall well instead we just issue warnings and do our education, the summer sure.

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Noelle Wolfson: One other thing you can do you don't have you don't necessarily have to operate in that kind of limbo, we could set an effective date so.

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Noelle Wolfson: The effective date for most local laws, because this is what the municipal Home Rule law provides is that it's on the filing with the Department of State, but you could make it at a later date.

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Noelle Wolfson: Six months following and a date six months following the filing with the Department of State, so that if you want to adopt it habit filed and then have a grace period where people are coming up to speed with an educational campaign and then have it become effective you could do that.

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Karen Tarapata: I think that would work because I really want to give people a chance to I mean six months or three months, what to just for discussion, what would be reasonable, and now I want to send.

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Karen Tarapata: The law sort of a brief overview to every registered contractor the you know licensed contractor in the state and the county of rockland.

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Karen Tarapata: Does that's not difficult and also send something out to every homeowner every property owner, but it would it be, what do you think three months or six months.

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sylviajeff: I would lean towards six.

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Okay.

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sylviajeff: I like the idea of approaching it that way, just like we're giving people time to like change to like electric blows and stuff like that the whole thing I just like having a grace period and six, three months, just like that so six months I think there's more sensible.

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Noelle Wolfson: Three months if you were to a Japanese In June we put you right at the start of that fall cleanup period, whereas six months would put you right at the end of that fall cleanup period so they'd get the residents would get the fall cleanup period without regulation more or less.

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Laurie Dodge: And then.

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Noelle Wolfson: After that, it would you know, maybe, maybe even thinking about having it come into effect December 16 which would be the day after the fall cleanup period would end that would be approximately six months from the June meeting right yes.

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Karen Tarapata: I do think they'll people are really hoping for relief from the leaf blowers.

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Karen Tarapata: that's, the only thing only reason I would lean towards three months is that we would rather have them.

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Karen Tarapata: clean up, it would be limiting the number of hours during the fall cleanup because.

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sylviajeff: Again we're not we're not not enacting the law world connecting the law we're just giving the grace period for will be you know put some of behind it.

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Karen Tarapata: Actually, the fines yeah.

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sylviajeff: So we're going to be communicating this to everybody and, hopefully, most of them will live here as good neighbors and then after a few months, six months, then the hammer comes down.

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sylviajeff: And I saw like dude this.

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sylviajeff: is going to be the hammer.

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Karen Tarapata: That, I think that'll make nobody happy, which may mean that it's absolutely the middle way.

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sylviajeff: it's the perfect boy right nobody's happy.

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Karen Tarapata: Think about the fall cleanup do you think.

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Laurie Dodge: i'm fine with three.

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Laurie Dodge: But I appreciate giving a longer lead, but I feel like if we communicate it well enough in three months, then you know I mean we've been talking about it for years, so I guess.

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Laurie Dodge: You know.

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michael esmay: You know.

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Karen Tarapata: That would be a good time to allow you know, would be a good time to say you can you can do it, you can use your gas power things, but you have to be done by this time it can't go that late.

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Karen Tarapata: I don't know what.

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Karen Tarapata: i'm not sure we'll have to talk since we're not making a decision tonight, this really is just for discussion, we can think about it and revisit this next week at the public hearing.

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sylviajeff: Think Mike wanted to say something.

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Karen Tarapata: Oh, my.

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michael esmay: No, no, no, no, I was saying, six months okay.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, so we have.

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michael esmay: We had a vote.

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michael esmay: Right now.

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Laurie Dodge: But the interesting thing, though, you guys is that you're allowed to use the leaf blower September 15 through December 15 so.

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Laurie Dodge: Maybe during certain.

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Laurie Dodge: Hours right so The thing is, if we give the three month grace period.

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Laurie Dodge: it's the six the six month grace period is, including three of the month, where you can use your machines so.

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Laurie Dodge: it's almost those months are almost irrelevant.

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Laurie Dodge: into you.

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michael esmay: know your there's you're going to a process of educating people.

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Laurie Dodge: know I know that but you're allowed.

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michael esmay: Justice every.

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Laurie Dodge: Three months.

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michael esmay: like that.

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Laurie Dodge: yeah I get it, but but you're allowed to use the blower September 15 through December 15 so.

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Laurie Dodge: No one's going to get a fine.

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Laurie Dodge: Because you're allowed to use them.

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Karen Tarapata: we're just trying to limit the time when they can use what they have to be done at that time and.

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Laurie Dodge: yeah.

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Karen Tarapata: A code enforcement officer in place by September.

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Karen Tarapata: I don't know to be continued i'm leaning towards three because I think the fall cleanups fine, but you got to be done by seven o'clock i'm for during the week and five o'clock on the weekend.

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Laurie Dodge: and honestly to be truthful what time does it gets dark I mean it's an it's an it's a nice natural segue because i'm remembering even you know we go to a coated.

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Laurie Dodge: In August, and when we go late in August i'm always it just kicked not actually i'm sorry we usually would go the first and second week in August.

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Laurie Dodge: And, by then, it was dark up there at like seven 730 and that's in August and I forget like right the longest day of the year is in June, so to me.

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Laurie Dodge: kind of were on the other side of that so in a way, these it's going to it's going to get progressively darker during those three months, so I don't know that anyone's going to be.

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Laurie Dodge: blowing leaves until seven o'clock because they'll be blowing them in the dark, although you know they're enterprising young men who run those machines, so they will be, but.

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sylviajeff: yeah, if nothing else, I think the fact that it's going to get darker so people intend to do it and that they're allowed to do it between September end of summer anyway.

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sylviajeff: points to the fact that make us six months, because that is good if it's going to be mood at least we're giving them the opportunity to like be educated and know we're giving you six months.

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Laurie Dodge: We are about.

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sylviajeff: You know, and then elapsed by its natural dateline it's September through December and we'll be right there anyway.

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Laurie Dodge: Well that's true, but you could argue the other point, which is the people who are, who has been desperate to get this past have another you know it's like another six months journey until this law becomes I mean it's inactive, but before people get get penalized I don't know I mean.

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Karen Tarapata: I could have said there's there's such a big Community that is just dying for this if we even got I mean they're going to expect you know the moment that it's filed that it's going to be.

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Karen Tarapata: rigorously enforced, which is not going to happen, this is a very, this is a real cultural change, but I think that the three months is going to get a.

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Karen Tarapata: I don't know let's let's let's think on it and we'll talk about it next week, because I know that they're going to they're going to want this as soon as possible.

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Karen Tarapata: But I think we need time to really educate the landscapers they're aware of it, because I know my landscape landscape, whether it's working on my property asked me about it, they are aware of it, but I think we could give people the grace period of the summer to.

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Karen Tarapata: To try and comply I don't know let's.

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Karen Tarapata: think a little bit without a week.

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sylviajeff: When are we here to support in the start date of this will ultimately be whether it's three months or six months.

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Karen Tarapata: If we were to well as it's within a month of whenever we pass it.

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sylviajeff: And that can be as soon as next week or do we have to wait till June.

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sylviajeff: Well, if we were.

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Karen Tarapata: To do it next week, we would have to pass it as it is currently absolutely but we could also here's another possibility, we could pass it as.

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Karen Tarapata: And then we could amend it later.

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Karen Tarapata: Once we see how it plays out, but we would have to stick with whatever is in here now is how it would have to be passed.

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Karen Tarapata: If we wanted to make any changes neuron well correct me if i'm wrong, but if we make any changes, it would be the June meeting, and so it would be July before it could possibly be.

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Karen Tarapata: Enforced yes.

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Noelle Wolfson: You know ministerial changes that don't have a substantive effect, you could you could make, but something like so the things that we're talking about now I would recommend waiting and having it in final form, and then adapting it in June.

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Noelle Wolfson: And so just just to be clear, you know we could either set the effective date upon filing with the Department of State and then work out enforcement afterwards.

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Noelle Wolfson: Or we can set the effective date to a later date, such that, even after its file he wouldn't be allowed to enforce it until that date certain.

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Noelle Wolfson: came about, so we said this low will come effect within three months of the date of filing with the Department of State you wouldn't be able to enforce it within that three month period.

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Karen Tarapata: Saying that is because my concern is that people are going to start calling the COPs all the time and the police are not going to enforce it, and it's going to create more of a problem until we really have our own forsman mechanisms in place.

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Karen Tarapata: So maybe that's the only reason to postpone it until at least September.

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Karen Tarapata: And not immediately, you know I think we, I think we would be better served to as well, so.

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Karen Tarapata: continue with our public comments.

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Karen Tarapata: make these changes and then plan on adopting it in June, which would mean that it would become effective in July.

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Karen Tarapata: And if we did three months after that that's.

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Karen Tarapata: August September, October we're almost we're almost there yeah I think that would take care of itself by that time we would.

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Karen Tarapata: Maybe three months after that effective date, but I want to start the education process almost immediately, I mean we can we can tell them this is this is coming as soon as it is passed.

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sylviajeff: And that's whether it's three months or six months that's the correct thing for us to do.

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Karen Tarapata: Oh yeah I want to have that in in the envelopes and ready to mail, the day that we file it with it with the state just say this is coming.

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Karen Tarapata: So, once again I think i'm sort of with with lori on the three months, does that will push us into well into October and by then hopefully though they will be wrapping it up by dark.

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Karen Tarapata: Oh well, we have, we have to.

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Karen Tarapata: Think about it.

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sylviajeff: We actually tell him that he's going to be the deciding.

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sylviajeff: No pressure if.

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sylviajeff: anybody has a complaint.

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We know where to send them.

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Karen Tarapata: that's what happens when you don't come to the meeting.

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Laurie Dodge: Right right.

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Karen Tarapata: Oh, my goodness.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, so I think that is pretty much what we really wanted to speak to Noel is there anything else anyone would like to ask well this evening.

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Karen Tarapata: About this, because we have some more just Mike asked some questions of me today that that were with a pretty good we were talking about when we say even the idea of the noise law can can noise be defined, or is this going to be, you know.

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Karen Tarapata: Some of the comments were that this was this law was fake and while I don't feel that's The case is that something.

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Karen Tarapata: You know how is noise defined well.

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Noelle Wolfson: So we have in this love the way we've defined noise is whether or not it's audible.

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Noelle Wolfson: From a certain distance from the property line and I actually consulted with David noreen who is our you know consulting village prosecutor.

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Noelle Wolfson: about this standard and if he's had an experience with prosecutions and and he told me that you know it would be testimony from the from the code enforcement official.

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Noelle Wolfson: That I was standing within a certain distance and I was able to hear you know, whatever is the subject of the violation and he did not think that in most circumstances.

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Noelle Wolfson: You know, in every circumstance that it would be kind of vague on its face and never enforceable and he seemed to think that that was not in a typical way of measuring noise, you know whether it's audible from a certain point.

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Karen Tarapata: And, and the person who's doing the testimony is the person who we have.

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Karen Tarapata: Get given this task it isn't just asking the man on the street you're asking somebody who is as a responsible position and it would be testifying under oath.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sure, and he would just need to be careful about where he's standing you know, Sam have a distance from the property line our it's audible so you just you know you just be explicit able explain, step by step, you know.

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Karen Tarapata: How.

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Karen Tarapata: We all know he'll have his memory.

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Karen Tarapata: Right roll it up 100 feet and then stop ago.

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Right.

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Karen Tarapata: I think that's right I use my wheel and I measured 100 feet from the line I turned around it was clearly audible right for from this time until that time right.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay that's That was a big question right there.

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Karen Tarapata: alrighty anything else for Noel tonight.

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Laurie Dodge: Well, not for me okay.

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Karen Tarapata: Thank you.

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Noelle Wolfson: Sure, thank you very much, and I will i'll make these few changes to the air below and get them to heather for the morning, so that she could arrange the circulation to rockland county planning.

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Karen Tarapata: Thank you so much.

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Laurie Dodge: Have a great night.

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sylviajeff: Thank you.

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Karen Tarapata: bye.

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bye.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, that a couple of things did you have a chance to take a look at the resume of this woman who is a candidate for the board Secretary she really impressed when I spoke with her.

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sylviajeff: You know what I missed it.

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Karen Tarapata: Oh it's.

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Karen Tarapata: 11 hours ago this morning at 830 I said to her resume.

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Karen Tarapata: yeah take a look, because she is the Secretary to the pro river high school principal she manages all the scheduling for the substitute teachers, she is very technologically savvy.

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Karen Tarapata: She was recommended by rich Fortunato and when I interviewed her, she really blew me away in terms of her skill set she has no problem in making those evening meetings, she her kids are in their 20s and don't live at home and she said that's fine.

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michael esmay: Okay her.

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Karen Tarapata: I would like.

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Karen Tarapata: yeah I think you can start in July because she said after the school year is done, she would wouldn't want to leave the principal in the lurch, but she could start in July, which would really help Jill because Jill is just swan.

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michael esmay: Okay.

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michael esmay: Oh sorry, my thoughts about her.

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Karen Tarapata: That she's actually overqualified.

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Karen Tarapata: But I think she could really help update our building department over the next number of years because of her, she said that you know she was talking about how, when she started.

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Karen Tarapata: her job everything was on index cards, like all the substitute teachers and everything and it was it index cards and rolodex and she's made everything you know brought everything up to date and I thought.

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sylviajeff: that's a person.

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Karen Tarapata: that's on the person.

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Laurie Dodge: Now, which she'd sit at our meetings to or no.

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No.

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Karen Tarapata: No, it would that still be heather heather she takes the meeting minutes for the board of trustees but this would be you know the Secretary to the land use, for it.

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Karen Tarapata: Right and she would coordinate all the packets and do all the things that Jill does and then also start to help us update our building department processes.

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Karen Tarapata: This is a great time to bring her in with the update the zoning code and there's also some change, you know we're going to be changing our.

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Karen Tarapata: Updating our file maker program so that our database does more for us and we create more forms within file maker, rather than trying to have the fields fit into now well Carol was doing it on word and in trying to get the filmmaker stuff to fall on the right part of the page.

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Karen Tarapata: We can we can make things better and simpler.

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Laurie Dodge: you're.

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Karen Tarapata: Good so i'm going to talk to her again and I think the next thing is, I wanted to talk to Jill little bit more about what the job entails I did speak to another young woman who.

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Karen Tarapata: Chris guesses new.

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Karen Tarapata: But she's she has very young, she has three young children, and she has not worked in this kind of a position before and I just see the three kids there'll be so many sick days, and we all know if you have.

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Karen Tarapata: four year olds and six year olds you're going to yeah that's even though her husband's a teacher.

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Karen Tarapata: There after school I just saw it as being a problem, even though she was lovely and I thought she could probably do the work I just thought this could be a real present and evenings it wouldn't work out well over time, whereas I think a woman whose kids are grown if.

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Karen Tarapata: It wasn't what I anticipated, but I was so impressed by this woman and the third person I asked.

523
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Karen Tarapata: Was who was recommended to me just had two deaths in the family, and she said she just didn't want to change your job she couldn't take any more turmoil.

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Karen Tarapata: Changing that much change, so I think we found our candidate.

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sylviajeff: We want to think she worked for a.

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sylviajeff: company or you sell to.

527
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sylviajeff: me before she came on board.

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sylviajeff: She worked with Tipton magglio and 1989 to sell to them in the 70s and 80s that's cool world.

529
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Karen Tarapata: Is a small world.

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Karen Tarapata: that's one thing way, if you have to endure your professional reputation, people will remember you.

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Karen Tarapata: see what else did I have here.

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tonight.

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Karen Tarapata: Oh um I talked to rich about the stimulus funds, we might we might be getting he said we really can't be sure how much we might get but I asked him I just looked at the fact sheet, which I also included this morning about things that could be.

534
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Karen Tarapata: paid for with the stimulus funds funds and one of them was stormwater projects that anything to do with stormwater.

535
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Karen Tarapata: so rich did not seem to think it was a problem that he thought that we would be able to use the money in any way that we thought was really important for the village.

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Karen Tarapata: He didn't seem that concerned I was concerned, and making sure that any support we made back for the stimulus funds had to really fall within these categories, but you said he thought it was, we had a bit more.

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Karen Tarapata: Freedom in what we can do with the with the funds, one of the things that Mike you know that the daisy street property.

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Karen Tarapata: The basically the stream that runs along you know the property at night long all about road they're Christian hero road.

539
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Karen Tarapata: We.

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Karen Tarapata: I think we need to perhaps look into how much they really want for it, because that would be a very a really good use of the money to prevent flooding and protect that stream bed.

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Karen Tarapata: But I think what they're asking is a wacky amount of money.

542
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Laurie Dodge: Well, how much are they asking for that.

543
01:06:56.610 --> 01:06:59.280
Karen Tarapata: They want $200,000 for that piece of crap.

544
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sylviajeff: That go up after who's taken over, I think, was last quarter and now is that correct.

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Karen Tarapata: Things.

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sylviajeff: That go on after our conversation about it with it with coffee that's what the one.

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Karen Tarapata: That was before, when we saw when it was listed again, you know it's been off and on for a long time, but when it was listed again and I think that's what got our interest and we looked into it, but that's that's an unreasonable amount of money for that piece of property, I think.

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Karen Tarapata: Mike you think I should speak with Cathy to try and ascertain what it might really be worth.

549
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michael esmay: yeah she may tell you to go.

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michael esmay: try to find an appraiser but.

551
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michael esmay: yeah.

552
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Laurie Dodge: If someone really allowed to build on that property.

553
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Karen Tarapata: Well, they.

554
01:07:56.730 --> 01:07:59.730
Karen Tarapata: They have a time house planned.

555
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Karen Tarapata: They say they have drawings, where they could squeeze a little house on there, somewhere, but the thing is, we have a minimum how size in our code they can't build a tiny house.

556
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Karen Tarapata: Say awesome send us a foil request on a nyack swell request form and said they wanted all.

557
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Karen Tarapata: Any surveys, we might have four or five daisy street, this is the owners it's four or five days each street.

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Karen Tarapata: So send it back and said this isn't our forum and we have no knowledge of any property at five days straight think they got it they got to get it together they're just I didn't they're hoping that they don't have to pay a survey.

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Karen Tarapata: Just a surveys of that property because there's never been any permits pulled on it.

560
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michael esmay: What.

561
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michael esmay: Do you know what the actual real estate taxes on that lot.

562
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Karen Tarapata: yeah it's like I saw on zillow I looked at that.

563
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Karen Tarapata: And it was higher than I thought it was.

564
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Karen Tarapata: practically no, it was very low very low it's like $900 or something it's just very, very low me see here.

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michael esmay: You telling you that village or i'm talking about the total tax.

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Karen Tarapata: Let me just find it here.

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Karen Tarapata: Because I looked at it this morning, but I looked at a lot of things today so i'm a little confused.

568
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michael esmay: When we have D line has been sitting there forever and every year somebody's been paying taxes on it.

569
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Karen Tarapata: Yes, I know.

570
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Karen Tarapata: Tax history, we had a tax assessment.

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Karen Tarapata: Is $23,000 property taxes 4700 yeah 40 $700 is what they're paying property taxes.

572
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sylviajeff: Total look what Mike was saying just total.

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Karen Tarapata: That must be total but that's because that's all I think I believe that is.

574
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michael esmay: That assessment, I think, comes up to around $70,000.

575
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Karen Tarapata: that's actually about right.

576
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Karen Tarapata: I would think.

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sylviajeff: that's probably just an albatross around index that they're painful usable land, I mean yeah imagine they'd be happy to sell.

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Karen Tarapata: Yes, that's what I think to said I think two is it there.

579
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yeah.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay.

581
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michael esmay: The way you the way you approach that is find out get an appraiser to say what the real value is and then that's all you can offer them.

582
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michael esmay: As a village.

583
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sylviajeff: Just really here.

584
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Karen Tarapata: yeah alright, so I will I will see if we can't get an appraiser and we'll spend a little money find out what it's worth.

585
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Karen Tarapata: And you know as rich was saying we we have the money, if we think that it really is in the best interest in the village to have control over that piece of property.

586
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Good.

587
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michael esmay: Good.

588
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Karen Tarapata: The last piece is i'm going to turn this over to lori we're trying to get you know gather information from people in the village.

589
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Karen Tarapata: And we thought about sending a postcard asking people to share their email and cell phones, so that we have emergency contact and also the ability to communicate with them, or you want to talk about.

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Laurie Dodge: that's pretty much it I don't have anything more to say I would modify the language, a little bit on the back, I didn't put a thank you i'm not quite sure why you know, a nice closing line, but basically.

591
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Laurie Dodge: You know, we just we have limited information about.

592
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Laurie Dodge: who's where, and it would just be really nice for us for any number of reasons to have people proactively give us their cell phone numbers and their email addresses so that we could communicate with them.

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Karen Tarapata: The only problem any.

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Karen Tarapata: numbers is that we don't have an emergency notification system, our founders, but we have no way to notify people, we would have to literally be dialing I was really I was thinking is that we should swap and try and get their email addresses first.

595
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sylviajeff: Well, I think, by default, if we're asking them to email us to solve them is propagating both right.

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Laurie Dodge: yeah right.

597
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Karen Tarapata: But i'm just saying some I would be personally, I mean.

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Karen Tarapata: i'm always hesitant to share my cell phone number, with people but i'm more than that, I don't know how we would use it because we don't have any.

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Laurie Dodge: Well, but we might you know I mean people, people do text messages do group text messages all the time it's just a question of someone like heather setting it up.

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Laurie Dodge: it's it's not particularly complicated I don't think I mean i've never done one with seven or 800 people, but I think there are ways to do it.

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Laurie Dodge: I think we should have the information, even if we don't know how to use it immediately, I think that it would be beneficial to have as much information as our residents as we can possibly have.

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Laurie Dodge: So that we don't get the oh my God I didn't know this was happening I didn't know that was happening I didn't know this was happening so we can just be more proactive I understand we have on the website.

603
01:13:48.720 --> 01:13:59.670
Laurie Dodge: Various newsletters that you can sign up for, but it seems as though people don't necessarily something we do have a fair number of people who are signed up for them.

604
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Laurie Dodge: I think we have a very good percentage, but just in an effort to try to get everyone more engaged and it's just an outreach so that's That was really the intent.

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sylviajeff: Let me add something, and this may be publishing is when the wells on the line.

606
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sylviajeff: At the new we're going to talk about this, but if we do ask for sell them is and say that we're not going to you know use of any.

607
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sylviajeff: Business ordinary businessman, you know matters or something like that, and actually deadly something does get blasted out, I mean to all the cell phone numbers, is there a downside to ask him, people like you know you know come come at us some reason it was that just being like hypersensitive.

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Karen Tarapata: I don't know if I would.

609
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Karen Tarapata: I would be concerned I was also because texts can cause people money, most people have unlimited data now, though.

610
01:15:02.910 --> 01:15:03.780
Karen Tarapata: I just I just.

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Karen Tarapata: I don't know I don't know, I would ask for the email we don't even have those yet.

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michael esmay: And I remember.

613
01:15:12.450 --> 01:15:13.890
michael esmay: When we were trying to.

614
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michael esmay: turn up or nyack into a town.

615
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michael esmay: And we had a meeting at the elementary school and the room, the Multi purpose room was filled so i'm guessing between 102 hundred people were there, and there was a word quest that people.

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michael esmay: When they leave would they please leave their.

617
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michael esmay: email addresses.

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michael esmay: I think we've got four or five.

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Karen Tarapata: yeah we.

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michael esmay: Do.

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Karen Tarapata: We have over 300 now.

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michael esmay: yeah well that's pretty impressive actually.

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Laurie Dodge: I think, also times to be fair, times have changed it's it's the main way people communicate and so you know if we if we want people to be in the know what.

624
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Laurie Dodge: I think it is our responsibility if they don't want us if they don't want to provide their email addresses after we've done outreach then right that's their prerogative.

625
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michael esmay: But the maybe what the card really should say you want to be in the know.

626
01:16:24.180 --> 01:16:31.050
Karen Tarapata: And that's what it said, I mean you look at it she's like be sure that you if you if you want to know what's going on.

627
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Karen Tarapata: This is what we do.

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Laurie Dodge: I mean we can take the cell phone numbers out that that part out and we can ask for that later when we have everyone's email addresses, but the next part of the communication could be through email.

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michael esmay: it'll say.

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Laurie Dodge: Thank you for signing up, then you know I mean i'm just thinking about times when.

631
01:16:49.710 --> 01:16:50.340
Laurie Dodge: Were you saying.

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michael esmay: No, I don't think I would give you my cell phone number.

633
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michael esmay: I mean you got my cell phone number, but I mean.

634
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michael esmay: If i'm a villager my instincts are not to give you my cell phone number.

635
01:17:06.420 --> 01:17:07.230
michael esmay: Maybe the email.

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Laurie Dodge: said that we just asked for the email again, you know, the thing is, you really don't know until you ask.

637
01:17:15.180 --> 01:17:22.350
Laurie Dodge: You know people make assumptions about what others are willing to provide and what they aren't and you really don't know I mean I don't know i'm.

638
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Laurie Dodge: not saying that in any sort of provocative way you just don't know I like I don't I don't know half of the people who live in this village, so I don't really know how they.

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Laurie Dodge: communicate beyond, obviously, yes, we know they use their phone and they do texting and they call and they get emails but to.

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michael esmay: Look, and they got.

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Laurie Dodge: Twitter and they've got Facebook, they have all the social channels, but you.

642
01:17:45.780 --> 01:17:55.290
Laurie Dodge: Know to varying degrees and people use different social media and some people aren't offended when they get texts other people for other people that's super.

643
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Laurie Dodge: Like private and they don't hand that information out and it really is their prerogative to share the information or not, but if you don't ask.

644
01:18:05.670 --> 01:18:09.960
Laurie Dodge: Then, then you're never going to know, I do think just based on this conversation.

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Laurie Dodge: it's all modified language, because I think probably the email is the first thing to ask me, you know we'll just ask for the emails.

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Laurie Dodge: And and see what you know see what we get we do have a fair number from who have signed up to the newsletter.

647
01:18:25.830 --> 01:18:36.750
Laurie Dodge: But it just you know, on all of our calls, I noticed, there are always people who are typing in chat or you know when I run into people who who say you know what I had, I had no idea, this was going on, I had no.

648
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Laurie Dodge: idea anyways conversations.

649
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Karen Tarapata: With me as signups for the alerts.

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Karen Tarapata: Yes, that would.

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Karen Tarapata: be the best, because then heather doesn't have to enter anything, and they are signing up for news and announcements, I think we need to make that list clear of what you're signing up for it because right now there's a million little boxes on the website, so let me see if we can.

652
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Laurie Dodge: see me tomorrow so i'll modify.

653
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Laurie Dodge: To push people to sign up for the alerts so we'll have a link, you know which isn't clickable obviously because it's a postcard.

654
01:19:15.750 --> 01:19:18.840
Laurie Dodge: But that's, we will have them do that yeah I.

655
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sylviajeff: Think it's a good idea, also to add a line, whether it's cell phones or emails that this is for the village use only and it will not be used in distribution it's not like we're going to be sharing this with anybody okay.

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sylviajeff: Anybody been other residents of up and I.

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know.

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Laurie Dodge: I can do that.

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Karen Tarapata: That would be great I think this is a great idea and I think we need to do it it's just yeah just figuring out what the action we want them to take, and having them do the sign up on the website means that we write one message we click one click and off it goes and everybody gets it.

660
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Karen Tarapata: Right and then you and then, and then it always gets repost it in Upper nice neighbors and the other.

661
01:20:12.720 --> 01:20:13.620
Karen Tarapata: bunch of my head yes.

662
01:20:14.940 --> 01:20:15.570
Yes, it does.

663
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Karen Tarapata: Yes, it does like throwing a tennis ball on you know any bonuses backup right.

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Karen Tarapata: All right, that's all i've got nine is there anything else anybody wants to talk about this week.

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michael esmay: nope.

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sylviajeff: i'm good.

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Karen Tarapata: Thank you, thank you, thank you, this was really productive.

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sylviajeff: The red.

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Laurie Dodge: Sea you guys have a good night.

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michael esmay: good night.