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Karen Tarapata: Alright, good evening everyone, this is the workshop meeting of the village Board of Trustees it is November 11 2020.

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Karen Tarapata: Oh we're.

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Karen Tarapata: Just real briefly workshops are discussions, no action of the Board is taken.

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Bill Baretz USIS: All right, go ahead bill hey I just want to also step, maybe take one step backwards and also re clarify my role.

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Bill Baretz USIS: i'm.

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Bill Baretz USIS: participating as a longtime friend of lori and resident in spirit of the nyack some without obligation or motive.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The information that I share with you, if you choose to use my company to do this word that's fine if you don't my feelings won't be heard and.

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Bill Baretz USIS: I might really trying to.

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Bill Baretz USIS: give you advice that would prevent you from.

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michael esmay: spending.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Thousands of dollars a year that will not.

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michael esmay: To not work, the way you want.

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Bill Baretz USIS: or make a vendor selection that would.

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Bill Baretz USIS: leave you with unforeseen circumstances, and no way to support the system that you buy so i'm free help for the moment.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The system that we propose was meant to accomplish a few things and i'm going to just share my screen and put up the.

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Bill Baretz USIS: proposal or the summary.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And the first, the first thing that we discussed when we walk through the space was that, because of the history and over the historic nature of the building, you really can affect anything to the walls or the ceiling.

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Bill Baretz USIS: So it may be that creates a whole bunch of challenges, usually, when we will look at his face we look at the walls, the floors the ceilings.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Electrical capacity.

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Bill Baretz USIS: lighting and then we figure out well where can we place things, whereas, whereas with the orientation of the audience and the data that I got from Karen and laurie was that there'd be a panel of approximately I think five people on a race stage.

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Bill Baretz USIS: That needed have microphones there was ideally a requirement for two screens or two flat panels, one on each side, one that would always show.

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Bill Baretz USIS: A live meeting and when they could show called slides on a laptop or some type of computer content.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And we said, what can we do this from one in the ideal environment was that them from to that we could have beautiful and the size of the display that we recommend it it's 75 inches.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Is a gives you good viewing for PowerPoint for about 15 feet, so can you go with smaller sure you just going to show a lesson and zoom it in.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And as you get to something that's small like cell you wanted to show spreadsheets and review numbers it gets a little tougher, so we make a recommendation of displays based on the content that you're putting up there, and the furthest viewer.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Now we also discussed possibly having a projection screen and a projector, but that was ruled out because of the surfaces.

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Bill Baretz USIS: So, in general, if you had let's say an architecture of planning group and they wanted to come in and plug in their laptop and put blueprints of you know autocad or a rabbit or something on a screen.

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Bill Baretz USIS: In order to see it on the 75 inch because it's micro.

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Bill Baretz USIS: you're looking at about viewing from 12 feet, I asked the question will what's the impact on the people that sit in the back of the room and they said well for the most part, those meetings are not as critical as you sit further in the back.

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Bill Baretz USIS: So the important expectation is that with a flat panel.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The bigger you get the more expensive against and it's never going to be truly big enough like a projector and a screen we thought, maybe we could use that.

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Bill Baretz USIS: We couldn't really hang a screen because we don't want to puncture the wall, can we.

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Bill Baretz USIS: have one wall with a flat Panel for regular day to day content and another for projector and the answer was probably no we don't really need that.

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Bill Baretz USIS: So the recommendation that we that i've made was for dual 75, one that would sit in each corner, we can't secure to the wall so it's proposed with a florist.

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Bill Baretz USIS: to anchor the floor stand to the floor it's not really going anywhere but for safety reasons, you know someone could lose their balancing grab onto the floor Stan and pull the monitor down, and that has actually at so.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The display recommendations for that and then.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Within the main presentation computer from one of the members of the stage, you would have a confidence monitor that that computer monitor would be not only part of the computer but part of the system.

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Bill Baretz USIS: So the second area we just we discussed was about video sources are things that people see on the screen and again Karen and lori described that the zoom or the you know we call USB conferencing or.

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Bill Baretz USIS: system was really the top priority and we discussed whether that would come from a dedicated computer or from a laptop or from both.

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Bill Baretz USIS: who's going to be the host of the video call and then, as we can see here tonight we have someone remotely doing that.

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Bill Baretz USIS: But regardless the sources included a dedicated computer that you would supply and then we would have an auxiliary input for someone to plug in.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Probably at the stage where they went when they're actually facing the five panel roof, and maybe you know within the race fortunate the stage floor box.

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Bill Baretz USIS: You can plug in hdmi and we'd also have a wireless hdmi laptop fee So those are the three main sources that we give you a lot of flexibility, it would also on the wireless require that you have your own little mini wireless LAN which is not a really tall order.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And we talked about the zoom conferencing, and you know again looking at the surfaces, the best location to mount a camera would be on the.

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Bill Baretz USIS: balcony would face share right above the ground floor and we specified what some might feel as an expensive camera, but the intent of the camera is that it can zoom and auto track.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And he can zoom in 1520 feet and get an accurate depiction of the purse, and this is not like the little $50 camera that's on our computers, because that's really not meant to do that.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Could you could that be done with one of those yeah but you'd have a zoom dot shot of all five people in what we are what we propose is like our is an exceptionally good value.

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Bill Baretz USIS: You know, five years ago that same cameras $10,000 now with I don't know 1600 dollars, because of technology so going back to the concept of high quality long term spend we felt that this is what we would recommend there are certainly cheaper ways to do it.

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Bill Baretz USIS: i'm having the ability, from a control panel let's say Ken is going to speak for an hour or 15 minutes and he's in seating position to someone can press a button on the keypad and it's going to zoom into a head and shoulders shot of chain.

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Bill Baretz USIS: That makes it a much more pleasurable experience for anyone that's watching remotely or if you're recording or for streaming.

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Ken Rothchild: And we know I like to talk for an hour so.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The next bullet i'm area, which is just extended says hdmi.

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Bill Baretz USIS: is not really meant to go more than six feet there's all kinds of different ways to get it to go more than six feet winner by buying these fiber optic.

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Bill Baretz USIS: copper hybrid cables which word.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Most commercial industry.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Professionals generally put it on data cables 10 six and then you put a box on each end that converts.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And that gives you a lot of flexibility to run can fix through your your a stage behind walls, because it's a flexible and it's I think cable.

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Bill Baretz USIS: so good, so those extenders cause i'm going to make up a number $500 a pair versus the Primo be cables or $200 a pair but three years down the road if.

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Bill Baretz USIS: If someone yanked sticking their pre molded cable or wrong way, good luck, trying to sneak that, through your entire organization you'll spend $500 trying to figure out that problem.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Any questions so far.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Okay i'm going to skip down to the audio which is really one of the most important.

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Bill Baretz USIS: requirements is Karen and Laura had described it to me and the the name of the or the objectives here were to.

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Bill Baretz USIS: capture audio for three different types of pathways one would be to amplify it within the room, the speakers in the room, the second will be to capture it on zoom which means converting all that audio into USB and the third would be.

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Bill Baretz USIS: To well to send it remotely I should say for recording or other purposes, but i'll come back to them and we discussed having an individual microphone with the quote glue stick microphone in every State and every.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Five every each or five seats, we recommend a product that has a little red green HALO ring on the tip so you know if you're on raw you know embarrassing that can be if you're thinking of your one and you're not near the other.

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Bill Baretz USIS: We also presented a proposed a wireless Mike that we let's say you have a visitor they're not part of the five seat panel, or they just clip on a look oh it's a wireless I think I just had presented wireless handheld or lapel and I think Karen said that we only really need.

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Bill Baretz USIS: handheld.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Of the speakers and we felt we could mount in the room again to would mount aiming downward from that same balcony in the room, and then three we would actually cut into.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The ceiling deck in the rear area so it's it's good backfill those are fairly inexpensive product.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The most important glue that makes this work is a programmable audio mixer and laurie had shared with me, like some of the stuff that you got proposed from another vendor which was like a live mixer this is.

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Bill Baretz USIS: doesn't involve any human involvement, we actually custom programming for everything that's discussed here.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And then you have some basic volume controls that you couldn't do from the touch panel controller.

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Bill Baretz USIS: So it takes all the mics in it takes all the audio sources, you know your core your computer audio sources it mixes and magically so that they all spit out at the same level.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And it spits them out once one way to an amplifier a second way to a zoom via the USB conversion so that's one of the more expensive items, but.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Unless you have to have an audio guy running and he ever all your meetings it's going to mess with levels.

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Bill Baretz USIS: it's not very convenient.

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Bill Baretz USIS: that's the difference between a good DJ solution or a live mixer solution in conference room environments, no one wants to do that.

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Bill Baretz USIS: So we go the route of doubt convenience, but the conversion to USB is not.

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Bill Baretz USIS: it's not insignificant.

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Bill Baretz USIS: There are a lot of again i'm recording studio products that convert one microphone to USB or if you're doing home recording when you're talking about again taking eight signals in and mixing them out for five or six levels, this is pretty critical.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Lastly, is a control system and why do you need to control system, because you don't have does require an expert to run all the stuff we would design and engineering program it and then you go to.

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Bill Baretz USIS: An LCD screen and you press some very basic buttons turn the system on and off.

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Bill Baretz USIS: decide what source of video you want to select sent to screen a or B.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Your power and volume levels and then you know, setting up your camera presets you know various controls.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And then there's enough gear that needs to go into a small warm equipment rack that's usually.

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Bill Baretz USIS: it's a credenza frame rack and we talked about putting it upstairs in the back corner it's not something that anyone really would need to get at other than someone from your it group or potentially someone from maybe service.

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Bill Baretz USIS: So in that regard it's not like a thoroughfare product but.

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Bill Baretz USIS: You could your housing kind of your infrastructure in there and we would build that in off site and then bring it in tested off site before we come to you.

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Bill Baretz USIS: and

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Bill Baretz USIS: That has a whopping price of about $40,000.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And what you get for 40,000 well, as you can see the.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The TVs are about 1100 dollars, the floor stands are not cheap, you know, a key a wall mount is a third of that price, but the floor stands or engineer, with a lot of metals and they don't tip over you know, a 90 pound spring.

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Bill Baretz USIS: there's a bunch of jargon, here again, the camera, as I mentioned, is about 1600 dollars.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The wireless interface is about $1,000 you know if you said, well, we think this is a great solution we, how do we get the price down.

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Bill Baretz USIS: I generally when i'm asked to do those types of things I generally look at the most expensive items and see if we can work backwards, but again with item to.

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Bill Baretz USIS: there's there are $400 stands, except that the feet creature that like duck feet four feet, you know so we're trying to find something that can caddy corner into that corner and that has the commercial rating that it won't topple.

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Bill Baretz USIS: um.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The mixer again is about $2,000 the mixer I don't know $250 each trigger $30 each there's no one culprit this control system is the most expensive as a whole but.

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Bill Baretz USIS: If we didn't have this, you would have you would have to basically go and turn all the TVs on.

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Bill Baretz USIS: going with the amplifier and change the volume controls this you know it is a lot of manual operation, and it would get very confusing and from past experience in so fairly large determined to actually use the system.

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Bill Baretz USIS: i'm in terms of our Labor we have some design fees that would design fees are actually the architectural drawings it actually depends.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Where everything goes within the space, so that an installation team knows exactly where everything goes out approximately and that's usually the difference between a.

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Bill Baretz USIS: kind of a smaller manpower organization will just go and figure out in the field, and then we end up cutting holes in space and they said, oh no you're six inches off, we need to do.

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Bill Baretz USIS: patch and paint that and move it here so everything we do is based on drawn so there's a universal set of architectural usually it's facilities that electric drawings that also say how much electric how many outlets were.

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Bill Baretz USIS: So that other trades can coordinate and that your architect is on boards and now you can't put this here i've got a conflict there.

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Bill Baretz USIS: it's also all the mill work ordination drunk so if we have to pass through the.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Tables of the five places to get to the floor box all that's depicted there engineering drafting is a different set of drawings it's basically all the interconnection drawings.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And, as I told lori and Karen it's a blueprint, so that, once in any professional organization should do this and you should be wary of.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Not having a set of drawings, because once there's done and you want to be able to support this over seven years, with any vendor of your choice you have that those your X rays.

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Bill Baretz USIS: that's your blood work results, so if you don't get that you are, at the risk of anyone coming back in if we're when we're asked to come in and.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Do a service visit to a site that has no drawings will spend a day just trying to figure out what they have that's $1,000 right there so.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Whether again, it would be with us as or another organization buying a bunch of gear and just putting it in together you can't really pull it off an AV give knowledgeable network people that know about servers maybe to pull it off.

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Bill Baretz USIS: project management when we're retained, we have a single point of contact that coordinates all the construction all the gear all the fabrication only installation schedules, with the client with our internal teams.

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Bill Baretz USIS: shop fabrication that's the build and build it and programming off site and the field installation is a prevailing wage and I believe we're obligated to yes, you meet that rate that rate is a premium of about $4,000 if it wasn't a prevailing wage rate.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And God just steadily freight and the warranty costs and that adds up to about $16,000 in Labor can put your 40,000.

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Bill Baretz USIS: With, whether it be us or anyone it's very important that you.

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Bill Baretz USIS: scrutinize the warranty in the service level of response and a professional warranty is typically a one year parts and Labor with onsite response and it usually is.

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Bill Baretz USIS: You know to our phone response during normal business hours and then you know, ideally next next business day or 48 hours if someone has to come out and troubleshoot something.

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Bill Baretz USIS: So there are companies that can save you money without doing all these different drawings, they just feel coordinating everything and they figure it out.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And then there's really like a 30 day warranty like once you're using it that's it and then, if you want them to come out the typical hourly rate it's about $500 for a three hour visit so again whether it would be with us and me or someone else.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Even if you don't get exactly if you don't know exactly.

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Bill Baretz USIS: what to expect and and you're not sure what you're getting, then you are vulnerable to be taken advantage of or dis vulnerable for a company that.

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Bill Baretz USIS: can't get it right, they may get it to 80% will never come back to get it to 100% or they they interpreted, that it should work a certain way and that's not in line with.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Anything because there's no.

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Bill Baretz USIS: binding document to carry you through the entire process and there's no blueprints for you to say I didn't want this here or I didn't want that, and having lived through that enough.

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Bill Baretz USIS: We generally the least I do in our organization, does it tries to make recommendations that most people say oh it's a lot more than I thought it would be but.

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Bill Baretz USIS: You will generally.

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Bill Baretz USIS: We have customers where we've taken over.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Their.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Previous projects and they own hundreds of thousands of dollars a year that they should have never purchased in the first place doesn't meet the ass so that being said, what doesn't this system do well.

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Bill Baretz USIS: there's a streaming capability in this right now, if you went into streaming there are products that we can provide or your it expert can put forth in your your your computer software, you can stream through the through your zoom computer.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And like I said, the only factor to really think through very hard, is that if you wanted a giant image again instead of 75 inch just you know image diagnostic 130 inch diagonal.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Which is a big giant juicy image that would be beneficial if you had a full House and they went all the way to the back that's not here right now, so the most important thing to really understand is just like, if you look at you know your computer monitors.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The nature of what you put on there, and how large you make it has to be factored into how far back the furthest viewer is and the quality of that experience.

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Bill Baretz USIS: feel alone, if you think that one, and I believe Karen said it's not so much you know small small font and generally larger font in or video.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Probably fine or you have to set the expectations for those people that if they want to see everything they've got to sit up close it the first you know, in the open area before that about you know the the balcony understand.

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Bill Baretz USIS: that's all I have to report I hope Karen go ahead.

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Karen Tarapata: No, I was just saying this is great I wanted everybody to understand you know what the whole process has been up to this point and understand because we're not experts understand what we were looking at we're looking at your proposal.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Thank you, oh, I want to use remind me of one of the thing that laurie show like one of the other equipment proposals you had worked for like kind of DJ speakers on the stands and placing speakers behind microphones inherently creates a conflict that creates a feedback loop that.

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Bill Baretz USIS: If you go to a live show even alive, like a local show the speakers are hung proud or front of the.

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Bill Baretz USIS: that's where we have them hanging downward facing and we'd operate them in a low level to avoid a feedback loop, so you know in sharing the the what I saw I couldn't decipher.

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Bill Baretz USIS: That that list I could sort of decipher it, but I saw speakers on stands and I saw a live mixer which are both and I didn't see any.

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Bill Baretz USIS: I you know i'd be happy with no obligation, if you get a more deciphered version to give you.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The most important thing or way I can be a benefit to you is to help you a sidestep have a big mistake or help you understand you know, this is a little dinky $200 camera and you say what's really not important, we just need a zoomed out shot and that's okay.

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Bill Baretz USIS: it's really all about understanding the grade of what you're getting in how to.

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Karen Tarapata: Well, thank you, thank you so much bill, this was really this was really helpful and really illuminating.

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Karen Tarapata: You know this, where we're slowly moving into the 21st century we you know, we have been doing a lot of meetings over zoom for the last two years now.

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Karen Tarapata: And it's been interesting it's actually a lot of ways it's worked really, really well and it's we want to be sure, we want to find a way to continue to be able to bring outside participants in.

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Bill Baretz USIS: i'll give you an idea, before I say goodbye I just finished up we've we've built out about 15 sites around the country for a nonprofit called year up which puts students.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Who graduated high school with with no means in a one year program to train them for it careers and they.

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Bill Baretz USIS: They are in a hybrid mode for the next two years, where they have half the group is you know 50 students in the class or remote in another 30 or in the room.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And they need this, you know that same concept like well eventually we'll all go back to all in the room, but the partial remote is here to stay, for a while.

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Bill Baretz USIS: And without any don't have any other questions.

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sylviajeff: Could should we expect to have to like redo in seven to 10 years because some of it, I get you know the computerization is going to change, but some of it like maybe the floor stands for some the audio.

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Bill Baretz USIS: The microphones and the loudspeakers will last 10 to 20 years they don't generally.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Eventually, they say it's a seven year by you know we don't have we've changed our software tools four times in seven years, like our technical tools.

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Bill Baretz USIS: base level of computer resolution if you're putting in a MAC book pro it's more than 20 it's 2566 514 or something so if you have a creative person that wants to put that in there.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Well sure you know that's for the kind of early adopters and there's no reason of the equipment was properly maintain that you wouldn't get seven to maybe 10 years out of it, but the nature of electronics and chip related products is that these the manufacturers want you to upgrade.

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Bill Baretz USIS: every four years of my seven year old say you're on your own well it's still work reliably yeah but, as I said, i'm.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Well, you, you had an analog phone system with a phone switch and then you had this pbx digital switch which is expensive, high quality year and says, oh no Now you can make all your calls VIP so all that stuff is still useful to still works, but.

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sylviajeff: Okay, so the vast majority will have to be updated, or should be updated in our mindset is figure seven to 10 years.

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sylviajeff: we're trying to incorporate a zoom into our live meetings, and right now it's important for me, I like being able to see all the participants on the call, we are currently talking about having two monitors Facebook audience.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Yes, we did discuss that and Karen and lori felt that a second audience camera was not a requirement, so it would be very easy to add a second camera, provided we can find the mounting location wi fi mounted on the monitor.

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Karen Tarapata: If we have people will actually I think Jeff we're going to have to when people speak from home we're going to have to rotate rotate our him our chairs.

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Karen Tarapata: The public comment part of a meeting will have to rotate our chairs because there isn't going to be a monitor for us to see from the stage of all the participants from home.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Oh, I see So how do the people on the stage see what's up on the screen.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Correct um he would be depending on a we did discuss this briefly, did you want to have the equivalent of a stage monitor built on to that wall their facial that in and again Karen was shaking your head no we didn't want that.

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Karen Tarapata: it's during a public hearing part it's one person speaking I don't see this as a big problem I don't I don't scroll when we're having our meetings I don't I don't scroll through everybody who's.

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Bill Baretz USIS: But maybe the other thing that I can also suggested it's more laborious, but if the five minutes in order one way to tackle that if all the Members have laptops and they call separately into the zoom call, then you can see.

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Bill Baretz USIS: Are ways, but inevitably you're going to be facing one or two of the one of the two monitors that you if you want to put the same image up there, and then the board members would turn rotate their chairs, to look at it that way okay.

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Bill Baretz USIS: But there is there are other ways to do it just adds more equipment and you know more more costs.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, well, thank you bill, this is, this has been very illuminating.

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Bill Baretz USIS: you're very welcome I hope everyone enjoyed the show.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, so that was that was good, a good overview.

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Karen Tarapata: conversation that laurie and I had with bill I is got a very extensive system here that he has outlined and, as you know, because i've sent you information.

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Karen Tarapata: That I had given the proposal to louie was on our call tonight and you've seen, hopefully, you have his sketch out how you worked with the engineers at b&h how we could do this and Louis for someone to say hello, are you there.

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lirampersad: Yes, I am here can you hear me.

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lirampersad: Yes, i'm the Chair.

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lirampersad: sitting on the island.

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Karen Tarapata: bill was describing do you want to go through the your proposal, the one that you worked with the b&h guys and tell us how you would lay that out.

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lirampersad: um I don't have a shared screen to show you what I but i'm pretty sure everyone has.

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lirampersad: A copy of my sketch.

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lirampersad: And my narrative on how this would work, you know the proposal bill gave us arm, you know it is extensive, it is a good system it's you know it will cover the basis and then some.

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lirampersad: You know couple things I I looked at, you know.

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lirampersad: equipment from bn H I don't know if anyone everyone knows b&h but b&h supplies New York City and the theater departments of what everybody with professional grade equipment.

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lirampersad: So, looking at what bill did, and what it costs and trying to build something that is manageable for us the village myself and people are going to be running it.

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lirampersad: and not give them too many points of which they have to.

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lirampersad: The system my proposing does just about everything bill.

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lirampersad: went over but not so much as.

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lirampersad: what's the word i'm looking for there are.

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lirampersad: um I went more to a basic needs over to the village would need to.

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lirampersad: In the future, in order, we spoke a lot about the having to upgrade in the future, if you do have to upgrade in the future it's not costing us another 20 $30,000 upgrading to what we have you know will cost us a whole lot of equipment that proposed is about 60 $600.

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lirampersad: covering everything that that bill covered.

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lirampersad: In his proposal.

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lirampersad: But doing it in a.

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lirampersad: In a simple fashion.

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lirampersad: And that's pretty much what I put together coming from an IT perspective, not so much as a you know.

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Karen Tarapata: So Louis I have a couple questions, though.

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Karen Tarapata: As far as the the speakers, he was worried about the speakers being behind the.

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lirampersad: The MIC yes, no did.

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lirampersad: That, if you put a you know, like if you put it on the wall behind you, where the tv's going to be yes you're going to get that feedback you put them in front of the stage and.

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lirampersad: You know, I have the drawing you know put them just at the end of the stage, but they will come a little more forward from the stage.

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lirampersad: That will not give us a few feedbacks.

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lirampersad: I see them a little bit above the stage i'm probably mounted on the you know I know we're not going into the physical world but wanted you to stand in or.

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lirampersad: Do we need a most speakers in that no it's a very small room the acoustic in there is tremendous you know, having more speakers in that is kind of really a overshot.

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Karen Tarapata: One thing I saw was okay so we've got we've got sort of a podium here, where the person let's say the applicant.

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lirampersad: Yes, there is a microphone setup on that, yes, so it's the same camera using on the.

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lirampersad: facing the board the same second camera will be faced in the applicants and there will be a speaker I said I said oh from anything that is on wireless because there's just too many fail points.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, so back to the speaker so you're seeing the speakers being wall mounted or mounted on the on the.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, so they are on stands they're not mounted on the walls could they be mounted on the wall.

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lirampersad: Absolutely right, you know where's that feedback going to occur on how close it is to the stage.

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lirampersad: would be you know once once once you get in there and put it down to see and the system goes up it's only then you'll be able to tell where that feedback is going to be.

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sylviajeff: yeah I have a feeling Karen wolf mountain is going to be a little difficult for the speakers, unless you bring them further towards the audience because it looks like the windows pretty close if i'm looking at this image correctly and if it's set up correctly close to the.

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sylviajeff: Okay, so you can't you can't place, they have to the speakers will have to be in front of the stage, so you don't get a feedback and they'll have to probably be in front of those windows if we're going to do womanity so it may not.

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Karen Tarapata: Before the second set of windows there's three sets of windows so there's two wall spaces, one that is in front of the stage, and one that runs to the.

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lirampersad: In fact, I have it right here, let me just give an exact size of it yeah.

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michael esmay: got it in my head.

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lirampersad: yeah they're they're like five inches they're very small.

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michael esmay: Right could they be mounted on just on the edge of this ceiling of the of the last most.

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lirampersad: Most yeah most probably again, you know it's weird that feedback is going to occur, so if we go as far back is.

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michael esmay: That loving there would be no feedback then.

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Ken Rothchild: yeah, can I ask a quick question that what do we need speakers for, and this would be true for either offer, what do we need them for we're the microphones are.

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Ken Rothchild: No, no, no, but the speakers are amplifying sound within the room, you need the microphones for applicants and for us for the feeds into the zoom meeting, but we don't need.

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Ken Rothchild: To hear the person who's the applicant sitting in the same room as them Nor does anyone else in the room, need to hear from the applicant because they can hear them by just hearing them.

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Karen Tarapata: for doing a zoom meeting, and we have a public hearing and someone at home is commenting, we have to be able to hear.

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Karen Tarapata: O people at home that's what it really is.

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Karen Tarapata: Oh yeah in that room, you can hear you can hear everything everyone was very live.

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michael esmay: yeah good acoustics.

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michael esmay: For the wall just just ahead of the microphones that would bother me.

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michael esmay: But I you know we were designing it and we shouldn't be designing it now.

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Karen Tarapata: What do you mean.

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michael esmay: Right now it's.

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michael esmay: A final.

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michael esmay: Week if if we're gonna be talking about everything, like a microphone or speaker, or what have you.

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michael esmay: It doesn't feel right to me, you know that but, but it did feel right for me to ask the size of the speaker, because we could mount it on the ceiling of the the edge of the balcony and it would at five inches that would not be a problem, it was bigger than that then we'd have a problem.

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Ken Rothchild: I think what Mike is saying is that it's.

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Ken Rothchild: We can ask questions concerning each of the proposals, so as to clarify what's going on with them, but to to start making changes or decisions based on that, in the midst of workshop meeting is probably.

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Ken Rothchild: Not an appropriate way to handle it, in other words, you know that's a discussion to be had in public, as opposed to in a workshop.

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Karen Tarapata: don't think by we're not to Skype Well, no, I think, actually, this is the time I don't think particularly with the.

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Karen Tarapata: Public Well, this is a public meeting.

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Karen Tarapata: I don't I don't.

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Karen Tarapata: disagree with you there can because I don't think we would be discussing with the public, where we're going to be putting speakers.

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Karen Tarapata: But I do, I mean.

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Ken Rothchild: Where.

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Ken Rothchild: But Karen where we put the speakers might have an effect on our decision about what proposal we go with any.

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Karen Tarapata: Questions No i'm not i'm not yeah we're not making it, as I said, we don't make decisions as.

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Ken Rothchild: Well, but but as Mike said we're designing the the you know, helping louie design for the room, as opposed to you know, asking questions about.

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Ken Rothchild: What happens at the speakers are here, what happens with the speakers are there, and you know it's appropriate for us to ask what happens.

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Ken Rothchild: You know, putting speaker place but it's not to sit there and say, well, then we should decide to have speakers on the balcony as opposed to the wall, you know because that's a decision that's what i'm saying.

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Karen Tarapata: All right.

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Karen Tarapata: But really the the decisions that we are as Noel says we are allowed to make decisions in workshops, it really is when we make resolute we don't make resolutions in workshops by policy.

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Karen Tarapata: Because there really is no such thing as a workshop, these are all public meetings and in the eyes of the open meetings law, we could actually I mean any of our meetings could be.

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Karen Tarapata: used to make decisions of any kind it's just week as a matter of policy, not as a matter of laws, a matter of policy, we don't make resolutions at workshop meetings.

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Karen Tarapata: But it's just been researching the public meetings locks I want to be sure that what we do is was clear.

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Karen Tarapata: But we don't as a matter of policy, make final resolutions, based on.

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Karen Tarapata: At our workshop meetings.

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michael esmay: Could we just hear more in general about the kind of equipment yeah.

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michael esmay: How this systems.

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michael esmay: going to work.

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michael esmay: Maybe go into a little more deep.

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Karen Tarapata: apartments where the part about programming and.

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Karen Tarapata: The remote, you know and the person running the meeting will be either Janet or learning.

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lirampersad: We have.

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Karen Tarapata: Too many.

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Things i'm sorry I.

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Karen Tarapata: Have there or Janet will be.

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Laurie Dodge: don't worry we caught that.

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Karen Tarapata: Janet will be actually running the.

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Karen Tarapata: Meetings the the technical part of the meetings, how will that be done, we talked about maybe doing having them done remotely from village hall.

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lirampersad: um if I can just jump in real quick and just give you an overview on how you know the system i'm proposing will work.

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lirampersad: That you know it all starts and and you know with with the zoom computer.

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lirampersad: Which is located in you know.

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lirampersad: In the in the meeting hall having you know whoever's going to be running the meeting log in from the village into the computer.

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lirampersad: That computer is going to be picking up a IP addresses for both cameras.

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lirampersad: But not into a single stream, which goes out into the zoom meeting from the zoom meeting you will they'll be seeing one camera, which shows the board second camera shows.

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lirampersad: The applicant, if needed, to on a separate smaller screen on the single stream, so the software that that's in the computer is going to take both cameras and presented as one stream as one camera so it creates a virtual camera and the virtual camera is what goes out into the zoom.

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lirampersad: And the audio the audio, as I mentioned in my my narrative the control is this a large.

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lirampersad: Sound card like in your computer it gets connected to the computer and it then feeds into the microphones.

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lirampersad: I have set up for seven microphones eight microphones.

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lirampersad: Each microphone has on off buttons So if you don't need to be heard you could turn it off.

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lirampersad: And from there also it goes from there, it goes into the two TVs you can switch both TVs on or you can have wanted one thing I did not take in consideration is, if you wanted to wish you didn't speak about having the applicant.

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lirampersad: Actually plug in his laptop so he can show his either draw notes or.

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lirampersad: excel sheet on two monitors monitors easily done, you know best, by getting the hdmi switch we can switch switch back and forth.

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lirampersad: And not you know there's really no wireless there's no programming, as such, it will all be set up, once the levels of the speak the microphones and speakers will all be set the TV, you know, like everything else you know somebody comes over there, turn it on early on the day.

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lirampersad: And I will make sure her connection is fine and she'll be operating from her desk village hall in the vendor you know she needs to look up a file she has the files, right after this.

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lirampersad: issue it's going to be over at the meeting hall.

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lirampersad: She would not be able to get these files so make that you know pretty simple for you to heather or China to.

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lirampersad: To get access to in terms of long term and support well, to be honest i've been working with the village for about eight years now, I think how going on nine.

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lirampersad: um i've always been there to support the village My only concern, but is the needs of the village and the village needs to the public, always been there within 510 minutes I live, right here in nyack.

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lirampersad: And my support is always ready and if i'm not in the country they know how to find me too so regardless, where I.

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lirampersad: They always have connection to me and.

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lirampersad: and support.

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lirampersad: In terms of.

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lirampersad: Larger technical support you know the bh.

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lirampersad: staff there is highly trained highly knowledgeable readily access I did set up a.

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lirampersad: An account for the village with the interest gives us tremendous discounts an example would be, for example, this the the Control Board for the speakers and.

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lirampersad: microphones was like $600 regular we've got it for like 4450.

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lirampersad: Any equipment that we decide to buy in the future, we can always go to.

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lirampersad: be an agent your tremendous discounts.

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Karen Tarapata: Well, that was it, we found that we found them through the county shared services.

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Karen Tarapata: Procurement website so right there that we're getting the same prices that the county of rock the deck to may be getting better now but we're getting highly discounted prices, based on our being a municipality.

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Karen Tarapata: And what two year warranty so it looks like.

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lirampersad: Yes.

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lirampersad: um.

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Karen Tarapata: So I think part of the difference is honestly is that because we have Louis also on a consultant contract any as a sole proprietor the prevailing wage issue is not a is not.

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Karen Tarapata: doesn't fall in here it is Louise is as a consultant, and because he's not incorporated we're not paying prevailing wage so that's a huge difference, and I think that accounts for a lot of the difference between.

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Karen Tarapata: US is and this proposal or both the shared services discount and using a consultant, rather than a.

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Karen Tarapata: big corporation.

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lirampersad: In a nice a nice build sets you know the system built a bill has built for you guys, you know it's it's a good system and it's tremendous it's on top of the line you know again all the equipment, I propose it's all top of the line professional grade equipment.

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lirampersad: But you know.

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lirampersad: Again, a lot of it is unnecessary, probably would not use.

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lirampersad: And again, the Labor costs is is tremendous so we can probably you know, do the whole thing with support you know, for what he's painting just label alone.

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lirampersad: But again, you know as belt, you know which whatever where you guys decide to go with you know i'm totally supportive of it and will be there in any capacity that you know, in terms of my ID and profession, with allowed to.

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Karen Tarapata: So we could, if we were to go with your proposal would we have a wiring diagram but you know that would we would have for our.

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lirampersad: Absolutely like I do with all the computers and stuff I keep a record of all the equipment, all the serial numbers um you know I can definitely.

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lirampersad: You know, expand on the drawing or to give you to widen and diagrams what equipment is where what's the serial numbers on them.

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lirampersad: Those, like do keep either way for the village and gifts, you know that's tough, for you know somehow they got this destroyed, and we need to have it, so no I don't keep a record of all that, for the village.

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lirampersad: That record has phone numbers and who to contact in terms of emergencies or support.

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lirampersad: So yes, that will also be included in in my regular.

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lirampersad: records for the village.

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Karen Tarapata: Does anyone have any more questions for louie tonight.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay, well, thank you, Louis I think.

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Karen Tarapata: taking a look at everything think about it, you know if it goes to.

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Karen Tarapata: Whichever way, it goes Thank you so much for.

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lirampersad: You so welcome mom and any other questions i'm always available.

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sylviajeff: Thank you.

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lirampersad: hi welcome to.

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Ken Rothchild: Thank you.

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Laurie Dodge: Thanks have a good night.

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lirampersad: You Joe.

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Karen Tarapata: Now we got some stuff to think about over going forward, we want to approach this.

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Karen Tarapata: Other stuff tonight lori send us some information about.

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Laurie Dodge: my beloved trucks.

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Karen Tarapata: That we did put up some new signs, though.

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Laurie Dodge: I didn't.

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Karen Tarapata: We put up a we're putting up the weight limit signs, we put up a sign up at nine w that says weight limit 6000 pounds, which is in our code and no through trucks.

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Karen Tarapata: So we have we have signs now at nine w and old mountain road we have it at North Midland and old mountain road, we also have one at North Midland and old mountain road that says no left turn tractor trailers so we're just trying to increase the awareness that this is not acceptable.

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Karen Tarapata: Good it's going to do we need still need two more weight limit signs.

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Laurie Dodge: yeah I don't know and I haven't seen them that was that was among my recommendations, because.

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Laurie Dodge: niles obviously didn't get very far with the State do T.

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Laurie Dodge: I and, as I indicated in the note.

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Laurie Dodge: I, and I think niles connections with the do T are strong I think some of our legislators have better relationships than maybe Elijah has with the D O T that's what don sort of alluded to.

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Laurie Dodge: Because my conversation with him sort of just stopped, but There does seem to be and I don't know that the signs will necessarily.

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Laurie Dodge: I don't know that they'll help I think they're, the first thing that and that the thing that we can obviously do that, we have control over, but the the routing systems, the GPS systems are really problematic and.

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Laurie Dodge: I am happy if you guys want me to do it, I am happy to get on them and to.

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Laurie Dodge: Have well, it would start out i'm sure as written communications or or phone, if I can get someone on the phone they're not Rand McNally is not.

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Laurie Dodge: Particularly responsive jock after we had that the truck issues on Halloween did some research and got in touch with them and they.

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Laurie Dodge: You know, he he posed a query and they were like your queries been handled we pushed it off to somebody else and that happened a couple of times and his response was no actually.

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Laurie Dodge: solve this problem at all you've pushed it off to somebody else but I got no reply that actually indicated that anything was necessarily happening so.

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Laurie Dodge: I think Rand McNally, based on what i've been reading is having trouble clearly I mean people are trying to rally a class action suit I don't really know what the situation is with Carmen but i'm happy to look into those various.

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Laurie Dodge: truck systems, because I think that the truckers are coming to I mean I saw another to today, you know and they they're they're obviously.

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Laurie Dodge: baffled by the fact that they're even down here they don't you know they're some of them, as I as i've sort of said on other other calls.

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Laurie Dodge: they're either completely mortified well they're they're mortified and they're either kind about their mortifications or they're aggressive and they're.

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Laurie Dodge: You know they're just two different reactions to how the hell, did I get stuck down here because clearly i'm not supposed to be here, but.

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Laurie Dodge: I guess, my question is, you know how much damage is the village supposed to sustain and honestly it's just a matter of time, I mean after the barricades came down on Halloween.

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Laurie Dodge: The two trucks that came by we're going through at not an.

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Laurie Dodge: instant unsubstantial speed honking horns getting having people get out of the way and I just don't I don't think that's okay it's a matter of time before a kid at up or Nice an elementary school gets run over.

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Laurie Dodge: They come through at pickup they come through it drop off it's just so when i'm just trying to.

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Laurie Dodge: yeah i'm trying to figure out next steps and right, the signs are.

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Karen Tarapata: If you've got some sort of contact information, we could have David the rain right a cease and desist letter.

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Laurie Dodge: He called you that i'll get.

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Karen Tarapata: Other people to break our laws, both the weight law and the fact that we don't we have do not have a truck for nine w is our truck.

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Karen Tarapata: So we could actually have him do that.

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Karen Tarapata: Okay he's.

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Karen Tarapata: Not out.

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Laurie Dodge: yeah no I can't because I don't have the document open, there were like five or six when I when I did the preliminary research about what.

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Laurie Dodge: What manufacturers deal specifically with GPS for trucks, those were the ones I came up with, I will happily research, who is the best person to get in touch with their and give them to you to give to David sure i'll do that.

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Karen Tarapata: I think that's the thing I think we have to go, the next step because.

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Karen Tarapata: Obviously we've got this problem Dennis and I have talked about I mean.

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Karen Tarapata: But what do you do I mean to keep to protect our guide rail do we widen it at the wide no mountain at the bottom of North.

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Karen Tarapata: broadway so they can make the turn.

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Laurie Dodge: know why will say something, well, we hope.

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Laurie Dodge: I hope they get stuck in the covert that's what I hope honestly I know it's an awful thing to say, without damage to any human being, I hope that they get stuck.

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Laurie Dodge: And that they can, and I also think, and I said this denials, too, and I said it to Aaron and I said it nicely, but the fact is, and I do see cornerstone patrolling so I i've seen heightened patrol.

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Laurie Dodge: But I think you know enforcement's also key if if the truckers are getting tickets, regardless of whether the money's coming up or Mike or not words going to get out like hey we're getting thousand dollar fines or whatever the find is they're not going to be happy about it but knowing.

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Karen Tarapata: That you know.

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Karen Tarapata: Right now, our finest like $25.

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Laurie Dodge: I think yeah.

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Karen Tarapata: yeah.

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Karen Tarapata: pitiful pitiful small amount of money that a ticket and Upper night costs you.

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Karen Tarapata: The other problem we're having is that these out of state truckers they find a way to sidestep their insurance just refuses to take any responsibility if they're not New York truckers we are getting nowhere.

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Karen Tarapata: you're actually trying to deal with somebody in Albany to get some help but they're able to once isn't that just know by that guy didn't drive for us, we have no idea who he is right.

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sylviajeff: There we put together some type of book four letter through our legal department say that and send it out to call in and Tom Tom and Rand McNally and all of them.

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sylviajeff: that's just basically stating.

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sylviajeff: Your we are putting your notice that you're illegal coming down with a weight limit in size that's not allowed, I do up going in an area that includes.

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sylviajeff: You know people, people who live here and an elementary school, so I put in my notice, so that if anything happens, you have been wanting to design a record.

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Karen Tarapata: of putting them on notice and telling them to take it off the GPS, I think that's exactly what we have to do.

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Laurie Dodge: yeah so i'll find those names I will i'll do some research to figure out who, I think, and it could just be the President of the company or multiple i'll try to find multiple names, because you never know who exactly will be responsive.

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Karen Tarapata: Saying that hammond had no interest in addressing.

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Laurie Dodge: It you know what he was he was lovely and he didn't what he was saying when I asked him about trucks they actually have multiple truck issues so they're really confounded challenge frustrated with all the delivery truck to don't honor.

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Laurie Dodge: any sort of Protocol was pulling over they stopped in the middle of the road, I mean we all see it like their Amazon trucks all over the place, so for him in the congestion of nyack I think that's worse what he said is.

483
01:05:38.940 --> 01:05:43.560
Laurie Dodge: You know their board is like ours right they're all volunteers and he was like.

484
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:52.140
Laurie Dodge: He said I don't really have anyone I can put on it, he said, I will be behind you, if you're doing something, because, clearly, the trucks are their trucks, he said trucks.

485
01:05:52.830 --> 01:06:00.480
Laurie Dodge: He gave an example of trucks have a truck coming down Main Street GPS sent the trucker off of nine w.

486
01:06:00.810 --> 01:06:14.940
Laurie Dodge: Down Main Street down to whatever the road is that becomes river road I forget, so the truck had to make that right, and then it sent it back up bird street to then make a left back on to broadway I mean it's.

487
01:06:15.240 --> 01:06:20.820
Laurie Dodge: An example that I gave from from Halloween job said to the truck driver.

488
01:06:21.210 --> 01:06:27.420
Laurie Dodge: How did you get here, and he said, my GPS, I was coming from I think I put Pennsylvania, I think that's where he said he's coming from.

489
01:06:27.720 --> 01:06:42.360
Laurie Dodge: He was on the thruway it didn't end he was going to Connecticut so there's only one way to do that, except Rand McNally sent him off of the thruway exit 11 somehow he got down here with all the kids.

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Laurie Dodge: And Mike backed him up but job was like Where are you going, and he said in kona Connecticut so, how does any GPS system get you off of a road that if you would just stayed on it.

491
01:06:55.710 --> 01:07:03.690
Laurie Dodge: You would have already been to Connecticut by the time that it's it's crazy So in addition to what we had originally thought, which is.

492
01:07:04.410 --> 01:07:15.660
Laurie Dodge: they're just on nine w the GPS seems to be taking them off the highway onto local roads to get back on the highway a mile down the road when there's not even any traffic.

493
01:07:16.410 --> 01:07:21.000
Laurie Dodge: And I have seen it myself when jock and i've gone places and we put GPS on.

494
01:07:21.330 --> 01:07:35.820
Laurie Dodge: You know it's funny when you know the way and you do, and you still put Google on just to see what's happening there were moments of brilliance you know, Google will send you away you're like wow this is so cool like I had no idea but.

495
01:07:35.850 --> 01:07:37.170
Laurie Dodge: The flip side of that.

496
01:07:37.260 --> 01:07:49.860
Laurie Dodge: Is it sends you a way that's like wait a minute wait, what is it doing, why is it doing this, and I think that's just what's happening with the trucks, although I just I don't know so i'll get on.

497
01:07:50.490 --> 01:07:52.710
Karen Tarapata: The weight limit that's what everyone told us.

498
01:07:52.740 --> 01:07:57.630
Karen Tarapata: Put the weight loss found out that we have a 50 year old weight limit law.

499
01:07:58.980 --> 01:08:04.710
Karen Tarapata: There you go and if we say no tractor trailers we're just going to keep trying to figure out with.

500
01:08:05.970 --> 01:08:07.350
Karen Tarapata: The other question I had was.

501
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Karen Tarapata: If we do keep them off a mountain they're going to start going down birchwood.

502
01:08:12.090 --> 01:08:29.550
Laurie Dodge: Well, there are a lot are going to a lot are coming down birchwood because those are the ones I here first because they they do they're they're breaking as they come down the Hill and those were, I think, three of the four trucks, I saw on Halloween i'm working down lower birchwood.

503
01:08:31.020 --> 01:08:35.190
Karen Tarapata: here's the problem if you look at birchwood a.

504
01:08:36.390 --> 01:08:45.120
Karen Tarapata: Woman who's got the lovely home on the corner, has put so much landscaping in the right of way that there's no place to put a no truck sign.

505
01:08:45.900 --> 01:08:46.350
Laurie Dodge: well.

506
01:08:46.380 --> 01:08:47.310
Laurie Dodge: I mean if it's right.

507
01:08:48.600 --> 01:09:08.430
Karen Tarapata: If you drive by and just see that she has really filled out the entire corner, with a boulder and a lot of pompous grass and stuff that so i'm just not sure quite what we do there's no easy way now to put a sign saying no through trucks.

508
01:09:09.450 --> 01:09:12.300
Karen Tarapata: So we'll we'll figure out what to do, but.

509
01:09:13.770 --> 01:09:20.310
Karen Tarapata: I wish people would stay out of the right away it's a beautiful landscaping but it's not her property.

510
01:09:20.880 --> 01:09:21.270
yeah.

511
01:09:22.590 --> 01:09:32.220
Laurie Dodge: yeah and I guess also if i'm you know I think if we if if David so all find that the names of.

512
01:09:34.050 --> 01:09:54.300
Laurie Dodge: The people at the various truck company or the map GPS companies and maybe admittedly I didn't get in touch with anyone in South night because I didn't really know what the story was there, so the only person I got in touch with was dawn but I read stories and next door neighbor about.

513
01:09:55.350 --> 01:10:06.780
Laurie Dodge: Mountain view avenue, so I mean if there is a point at which we really need to get a collection of municipalities together to complain.

514
01:10:08.130 --> 01:10:26.580
Laurie Dodge: I don't know if that will also have more impact, I guess, we can just start with us um and then see how it goes but it's not the situation isn't getting better their day i'm like Oh, maybe, and then you know, two trucks come crumbling down in a row it's like Oh yes, not.

515
01:10:27.450 --> 01:10:27.960
Karen Tarapata: mm hmm.

516
01:10:29.910 --> 01:10:34.740
Laurie Dodge: So Okay, so I know what i'm gonna do great.

517
01:10:34.980 --> 01:10:35.790
And everything like.

518
01:10:37.020 --> 01:10:47.820
Karen Tarapata: You were talking you sent me an email people are asking now about those temporary no parking signs that we put on locust and lex out during coven.

519
01:10:49.110 --> 01:11:02.310
Karen Tarapata: And i'm and I think that maybe we've reached the point where it's time to take them down it's it you can't really have a temporary police order that goes for a year and a half.

520
01:11:02.370 --> 01:11:03.180
Karen Tarapata: You know, I think.

521
01:11:03.930 --> 01:11:14.340
Karen Tarapata: At a certain point, we need to pull them and if people decide they want no parking on one side or if we decide that there needs to be no parking on one side for emergency vehicles.

522
01:11:15.030 --> 01:11:31.620
Karen Tarapata: I think we need to start the formal process again because now Greg Fischer has put the signs on his property like their permanent other people are just moving them around any which way it's I have a feeling it's time to ask officer Davies to come in.

523
01:11:33.990 --> 01:11:38.790
Karen Tarapata: And level set and we'll start again, or do we wait till after thanksgiving Jeff I don't know what.

524
01:11:40.260 --> 01:11:41.820
sylviajeff: I don't know if it makes a different way to.

525
01:11:41.820 --> 01:11:53.220
sylviajeff: thanksgiving or to wait six months we whatever the amount, Mr Fisher, I think, is the only situation where we see somebody who's actually stepped out of balance and.

526
01:11:54.300 --> 01:12:01.530
sylviajeff: Taking taking matters into his own hands by taking sides and put him on his own properties, if there is own science.

527
01:12:01.980 --> 01:12:04.410
sylviajeff: Because of that, it looks like there's no parking on.

528
01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:18.330
sylviajeff: alexa, which is about people were complaining to me about why is there no popular lifestyle and you're allowed to talk and Lucas, the answer is you're not but he has made it appear that that's the case so he is the outlier in this specific situation.

529
01:12:19.980 --> 01:12:25.350
Karen Tarapata: So what do you think, do you think we should leave them, or do you think I mean living on the street, do you think we should take them down there.

530
01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:34.950
sylviajeff: I think, as far as i'm concerned they've been achieving the goal, they only have one side and immersive equals can get up and down.

531
01:12:36.270 --> 01:12:47.490
sylviajeff: And that was what we were you know, trying to basically achieve surprising about i'm not surprised that people are still parking here, because you know the weather hasn't really got the call and.

532
01:12:48.810 --> 01:12:49.920
sylviajeff: You know it's not as.

533
01:12:51.300 --> 01:13:02.790
sylviajeff: Critical as it probably was last year, when there was no parking on the bottom, it probably is more critical that hopefully it will be next year when cove it becomes less of an issue and people still a different place to escape to.

534
01:13:03.270 --> 01:13:04.110
michael esmay: Your next.

535
01:13:04.710 --> 01:13:07.380
sylviajeff: yeah exactly who knows who knows i'm.

536
01:13:08.400 --> 01:13:08.730
Karen Tarapata: Having.

537
01:13:08.880 --> 01:13:12.270
Karen Tarapata: Some of the science of faded to white they've been up so long they're.

538
01:13:12.270 --> 01:13:13.920
Karen Tarapata: Not even orange anymore.

539
01:13:14.280 --> 01:13:28.680
Karen Tarapata: Is it started thinking when I drove there today just to after I got your email, I thought you know this is time to have a serious conversation that I just don't know if we want to have this.

540
01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.160
Karen Tarapata: A temporary permanent thing.

541
01:13:33.480 --> 01:13:40.290
Laurie Dodge: Well, I think that the accessibility for emergency vehicles is important so.

542
01:13:40.590 --> 01:13:53.250
Laurie Dodge: I would, and I know we don't make any decisions on this during this meeting, but I mean i'd be okay, with one side parking one side not I mean I don't live clearly on either of those streets, but just as a matter of safety.

543
01:13:53.940 --> 01:14:04.320
Laurie Dodge: And I don't I don't know how the residents feel, but if we took everything down and people were parking on both sides, then emergency vehicles can't get up or down either of those streets.

544
01:14:04.710 --> 01:14:10.770
Laurie Dodge: And I think that's important but because God forbid, something well something did happen there was a fire in a House on locust.

545
01:14:11.760 --> 01:14:16.530
Karen Tarapata: Well, part of the thing and under normal times, people do park on both sides, but they're not.

546
01:14:16.740 --> 01:14:18.510
Laurie Dodge: yeah matter right.

547
01:14:19.170 --> 01:14:39.660
Karen Tarapata: it's it's staggered so that it's like like my street like any other street it's good but it's just the org do we do something like this is something that Greg had suggested that no parking on either side, for the first hundred feet of those two streets I don't know I don't know.

548
01:14:40.260 --> 01:14:44.010
sylviajeff: I don't see that in there, so, because that doesn't help the.

549
01:14:45.120 --> 01:14:55.230
sylviajeff: emergency vehicles they're gonna have to go up down the entire industry, I also see this continuing to be a situation sort of in flux, because even though.

550
01:14:55.650 --> 01:15:05.700
sylviajeff: I mean, instead of dealing with the broken up parking area covered with yellow with Kobe and potentially people started to come to the reserve.

551
01:15:06.150 --> 01:15:15.000
sylviajeff: You know so that's going to impact those streets as well and it's going to impact the other end of the street as well, like right now people at a park down by driveway.

552
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:22.920
sylviajeff: People are going to be looking to park or you know my middle it, it may not be as intense because those people will be.

553
01:15:23.580 --> 01:15:31.200
sylviajeff: Piper and they'll have more options to them who the people want to start visiting and preserve as we make more to preserve.

554
01:15:31.560 --> 01:15:46.500
sylviajeff: But it's it's a situation that's still going to be fluid, so I don't know if we necessarily want to make a decision up other than the fact that it certainly makes us to switch it to the other side and let them pay from orange to widen that for white to like it all to God.

555
01:15:47.190 --> 01:15:48.450
Laurie Dodge: For more signs.

556
01:15:48.510 --> 01:15:51.270
Laurie Dodge: will give us more temporary signs.

557
01:15:51.750 --> 01:15:55.470
Karen Tarapata: everybody's kind of on leftover we've saved all the ones from Halloween.

558
01:15:57.750 --> 01:16:02.430
Karen Tarapata: So maybe that's it maybe next week, we put them on the other side of me put fresh ones up.

559
01:16:02.910 --> 01:16:04.080
michael esmay: Just like near except.

560
01:16:04.410 --> 01:16:05.160
Karen Tarapata: So knackered.

561
01:16:07.380 --> 01:16:07.950
Karen Tarapata: Michael.

562
01:16:08.790 --> 01:16:10.590
michael esmay: I said just like New York City.

563
01:16:12.180 --> 01:16:15.630
Karen Tarapata: Well, that would be yes alternate side parking.

564
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:17.400
michael esmay: alternate side parking.

565
01:16:18.450 --> 01:16:18.720
yeah.

566
01:16:19.980 --> 01:16:20.970
Karen Tarapata: that's so.

567
01:16:21.090 --> 01:16:22.710
sylviajeff: Good because I don't really.

568
01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:30.060
sylviajeff: does not like something i'm looking forward to plus probably means i've been cited or both sides it's.

569
01:16:30.060 --> 01:16:33.150
sylviajeff: yeah I don't think anybody's really like eager for.

570
01:16:34.110 --> 01:16:37.440
sylviajeff: But it is what it is, if it becomes if it remains an issue it.

571
01:16:37.440 --> 01:16:47.910
sylviajeff: becomes a worse a show I understand what people get a little bit you know upset about you know it, you know, being in some way inequitable so right now.

572
01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:57.600
sylviajeff: I think switching is it easy I don't want to just slow it off, you know i'll go in and I will read it online, but I think that's that's probably would work best.

573
01:16:58.350 --> 01:17:18.210
Karen Tarapata: OK so maybe i'm going to be speaking to an ios Davies and then next day or so, because he's helping me get parking tickets that are code enforcement officer can use, I have to find out what the mechanism is so that the tickets that he writes are legal.

574
01:17:19.950 --> 01:17:28.680
Karen Tarapata: Because we're going to use the standard clark's town parking chicken yes to check clark's town justice court and there's a special little box that shows.

575
01:17:29.040 --> 01:17:45.330
Karen Tarapata: What the violations are an upper nyack, but I have to be sure that and I was trying to get Ahold of the right person so that he's in their system with his badge number and everything as being a you know legally allowed to write those parking tickets.

576
01:17:45.540 --> 01:17:49.830
sylviajeff: And I think it would be thinking it'd be appropriate, as one of the things that.

577
01:17:49.920 --> 01:17:58.590
sylviajeff: I recorded foursquare offs looks at is that if somebody takes it upon themselves to steal one of those signs and make it as if it's their own because they won't people partner their side.

578
01:17:59.130 --> 01:18:09.630
sylviajeff: To call that out, that is a violation I know it may not happen because we're going to switch it to the outside shortly anyway, but maybe they'll be somebody else I thought that was a great idea and try to do it.

579
01:18:10.140 --> 01:18:15.360
sylviajeff: That just doesn't work that's not the neighborly approach that would try to achieve right.

580
01:18:15.390 --> 01:18:24.690
Karen Tarapata: it's not like putting a company in front of your driveway right you can't say you can't park in front of my house okay so we'll make sure the sides are switched.

581
01:18:27.300 --> 01:18:27.870
Okay.

582
01:18:30.240 --> 01:18:34.050
Karen Tarapata: that's all I have tonight anything else you want to talk about the season.

583
01:18:36.330 --> 01:18:37.110
Laurie Dodge: don't think so.

584
01:18:38.130 --> 01:19:01.320
Karen Tarapata: Oh good alright so maybe i'll put the AV proposal on the agenda for next week, we can talk about it, towards the end of the meeting after public hearing continues, hopefully i'm trying to keep other things very light, because you never know what how that presentation is going to go.

585
01:19:03.510 --> 01:19:04.050
sylviajeff: Thank you.

586
01:19:04.560 --> 01:19:05.010
yeah.

587
01:19:06.630 --> 01:19:07.260
sylviajeff: Thank you.

588
01:19:08.100 --> 01:19:08.550
Good to see.

589
01:19:09.660 --> 01:19:10.920
Ken Rothchild: Everybody Thank you everybody.

590
01:19:13.320 --> 01:19:13.740
Ken Rothchild: good night.